Kyredneck 1 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I got rid of my AR's and am now loving the AK's which I always have but I guess the "Black Rifles" were what all my friends were doing and I joined right in,, so I have been bitten by the AK-47 Bug and still not all that familiar with them yet but learning as I go and ya'll are AWESOME folks!! So now I reckon I am already looking for another AK,, Centerfire has Hungarian AMD-65's on built FEG receivers by TGI for $399,,, REALLY NICE rifles than I looked over and saw a Romanian Draco AK pistol $349,, COOL I thought too myself !! But are they really a useful, reliable tool or are they more of a novelty piece mainly for a HUGE amount of fun factor. I would have bought the AMD-65 today had I not seen the Draco but I wanted to ask ya'll first before laying down the coin ! I am still leaning towards the AMD-65 because it just seems like an excellent deal and a quality tool,, but DANG that Draco sure is COOL!! They don't have layaway so it will be one or the other for now. What you say ?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Alot of people including me, SBR their dracos. I like mine alot. Not sure if you've seen it but there is a Draco picture thread: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/53657-how-bout-those-hot-rodded-dracos/ Im sure the AMD65 is fine but I like the Draco. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 The Draco is way cool and very accurate in the 25 yard range and beyond. Fun as hell to shoot, and can throw out a three foot fireball in damp weather. Cheap to shoot and maintain. The AMD is a very nice gun, but is loud as hell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 in my opinion an sbr draco or one with a sling would be a great, handy little gun that has good power in a small, maneuverable package. i was very close to ordering one just recently but i saw i had enough money to get a FAL so ill probably get the draco next time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
echoside190 127 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I'd get a draco and do the forms to get it made into an SBR, they're very accurate out to 50 yards and beyond I'd imagine. They handle well and they'd be a perfect CQB style rifle with a triangle or ACE folder attached, plus every one I've seen is build like a tank. Plus it's just hard to beat a poor man's krinkov at around $800 when it's all said and done.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKPFpDYqSLY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 The forum's search function can be your friend. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
L5K 162 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 My next firearm purchase will be a Draco. I'm planning on turning it into a rifle, then SBRing it if Iowa ever allows NFA, or I move to a state that does. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 I love my draco. Right now I have it set up with a sling but plan on making it an SBR. I looked at an AMD and they do seem nice. But, the draco is the shorter of the two for SBR if that's what you intend to do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kyredneck 1 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 The forum's search function can be your friend. Used it first as always, still didn't find the answers I was looking for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kyredneck 1 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 WOW,,, it seems everyone is happy with the Draco. Looks like I am headed back to the GS to pick one up today and wait on the AMD-65, as quick as the Dracos come in they dissappear off the shelf just as fast. They had 21 on hand yesterday that were already spoken for but a couple people had not come too claim them yet and were holding me one just in case. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 WOW,,, it seems everyone is happy with the Draco. Looks like I am headed back to the GS to pick one up today and wait on the AMD-65, as quick as the Dracos come in they dissappear off the shelf just as fast. They had 21 on hand yesterday that were already spoken for but a couple people had not come too claim them yet and were holding me one just in case. KYREDNECK... they are really fun to shoot and are definately a CQB weapon. Don't relay on it for 100yd plus shots but close in you have rifle firepower in a compact 5.5lb package. Definately check out Guido's thread with the hot rodded Draco's. I liked all the great ideas the folks had come up with. I tweeked mine a bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 WOW,,, it seems everyone is happy with the Draco. Looks like I am headed back to the GS to pick one up today and wait on the AMD-65, as quick as the Dracos come in they dissappear off the shelf just as fast. They had 21 on hand yesterday that were already spoken for but a couple people had not come too claim them yet and were holding me one just in case. KYREDNECK... they are really fun to shoot and are definately a CQB weapon. Don't relay on it for 100yd plus shots but close in you have rifle firepower in a compact 5.5lb package. Definately check out Guido's thread with the hot rodded Draco's. I liked all the great ideas the folks had come up with. I tweeked mine a bit. Humbly disagree. I used to have a Bulgy ak pistol. No problems at a 100yrds. Sold that before I knew what sbr was...stupid! Now I own a Arsenal Bulgarian factory sbr and have no problems hitting targets out to 300yrds (the stock helps a lot ) To the OP. If you can try it before you buy it do that. Its one thing to see it and finger F it its another thing to actually use it. Might not be your cup of tea. BTW sbrs' rock!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kyredneck 1 Posted August 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 (edited) WOW,,, it seems everyone is happy with the Draco. Looks like I am headed back to the GS to pick one up today and wait on the AMD-65, as quick as the Dracos come in they dissappear off the shelf just as fast. They had 21 on hand yesterday that were already spoken for but a couple people had not come too claim them yet and were holding me one just in case. KYREDNECK... they are really fun to shoot and are definately a CQB weapon. Don't relay on it for 100yd plus shots but close in you have rifle firepower in a compact 5.5lb package. Definately check out Guido's thread with the hot rodded Draco's. I liked all the great ideas the folks had come up with. I tweeked mine a bit. Humbly disagree. I used to have a Bulgy ak pistol. No problems at a 100yrds. Sold that before I knew what sbr was...stupid! Now I own a Arsenal Bulgarian factory sbr and have no problems hitting targets out to 300yrds (the stock helps a lot ) To the OP. If you can try it before you buy it do that. Its one thing to see it and finger F it its another thing to actually use it. Might not be your cup of tea. BTW sbrs' rock!! Fondled her at the GS,, LOVE IT !! But still diggin' the AMD-65. None of my Buds have a Draco or AMD most are milled Bulgarians or Saiga's and are nice but I want to be different.. They are gonna hold the Draco till closing bell Friday till I decide. Edited August 9, 2011 by Kyredneck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I decided on both. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I'm gonna go against the trend and say get the AMD-65. The Draco in my opinion is only a toy unless you SBR it. The AMD is going to do everything you expect it to without the hassle of the extra paperwork and cost. Plus you could always substitute another muzzle break or flash hider to tame the noise down if thats an issue to you... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I'd like to SBR a Draco, but my lousy state is kind of stupid about that kind of thing. I'm still considering getting one, but I'd go with another full size rifle first. Still, if the cool factor is what you're after, it's got a handful of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kyredneck 1 Posted August 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 I'd like to SBR a Draco, but my lousy state is kind of stupid about that kind of thing. I'm still considering getting one, but I'd go with another full size rifle first. Still, if the cool factor is what you're after, it's got a handful of it. No intention to SBR and although the Draco is definantly cool I am more after functionality, reliability and able to perform in a SHTF, survival type sceniero and both these guns seem to fit that bill for around $400. The more I read on the AMD I am finding out I can only use American made mags to keep it 922 compliant or I gotta change a few things on the gun to be able to use foreign 30rnd. AK mags and keep it 922r,, as bad as I hate too say it I'm not really diggin' the U.S made mag choices for the AMD if that's the case. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Depands who built it and how many US parts were used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Berzerker2 19 Posted August 11, 2011 Report Share Posted August 11, 2011 Depands who built it and how many US parts were used. 100yds? Hmmmm... pretty good shootin' Arik. When I first shot it we had the targets set up at 50yds. It did well at that range but at the longer distances I'll stick with one of my other AK's. I wish I could SBR it here but I'm on the Left Coast and that's not an option. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arik 565 Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 We are talking about hitting a target not Moa. Its still a 7.62 and they can reach 100yards easy. Try it you'd be surprised once you get used to the fact that it has mo stock. Besides there are guys using Glocks out to 200yards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abyssdncr 4 Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 (edited) My Draco is certainly a shooter. Brown Bear at 50 yds using only the Grip Pod got me 5 5-shot groups in a row under 2", 3 were under 1.5" and the first one was a 1" ragged hole. The definitely have the potential to be effective <200 yd platforms... Edited August 12, 2011 by abyssdncr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 12, 2011 Report Share Posted August 12, 2011 My Draco is certainly a shooter. Brown Bear at 50 yds using only the Grip Pod got me 5 5-shot groups in a row under 2", 3 were under 1.5" and the first one was a 1" ragged hole. The definitely have the potential to be effective <200 yd platforms... I hope you have a stock on it if you are using a Gripod. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
guncats 4 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 A AMD65 pistol or SBR is much better than the Draco. The Hungarian quality is hard to beat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abyssdncr 4 Posted August 13, 2011 Report Share Posted August 13, 2011 I hope you have a stock on it if you are using a Gripod. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/53657-how-bout-those-hot-rodded-dracos/page__st__260 Bottom of the page... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryan6864 11 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I owned one for a while but soon sold it off, its a cool range toy for sure. Honestly though it isnt really that much shorter than a regular AK with a folder. Yes the stock helps but $200 just to put a stock on . Im not calling anyone a liar but from my personal experience its good to maybe 50yds and far less with rapid fire. I can ring steel plates at 100 and 150 every time with my regular AK so I saw little point in owning another AK that couldnt match that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WhiskeyMinion 300 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I like the fact that I "could" carry my Draco with my carry permit. I can't legally do that with the AMD. Plus the AMDs have that permanent extended muzzle brake which I don't like (although I run a standard AMD brake on my Draco) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 IMHO, it is useful as a base for an SBR. I have no real use for a 5.5 Lbs overly large pistol with a tremendous muzzle blast. I do want one to SBR though. The 7.62x39 round loses very little velocity going down to the shorter barrel. An SBR Draco should have no problem shooting at the same ranges as a 16" AK. The absence of stock greatly detracts from the handling and shootability of the pistol versions of rifles in my experience. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I'd like to bullpup one, just for fun. Make a nice little PDW with a drum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Draco+ace folder+ak tech sights+either tax stamp/barrel extension= one of the best ak under 1k. And I know it will do everything as my sa85m with bung hole stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 Of course it's useful! It's an AK pistol, I have read posts on this forum of guys that carry them in their car. It's not a "concealable" hand gun, but I could have it in my car with a 100rd drum if I wanted to, can't do that with a rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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