longhorn 81 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Check this out. I've been to this store a few times. Can't wait for the details. http://www.lvrj.com/news/air-force-unit-raids-central-valley-gun-store-128106808.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Check this out. I've been to this store a few times. Can't wait for the details. http://www.lvrj.com/news/air-force-unit-raids-central-valley-gun-store-128106808.html Why in the heck would the Air Force raid anybody?? Was the guy trying to sell a Sidewinder or Phoenix missile?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fromxtor 20 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 OSI isnt just regular AF, they dont have to wear thier rank on thier uniforms and wear an additional name tape over their last name that says "special agent". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'll take a guess. Someone on a base decided to help themselves to some ammo, parts, or whole firearms. Considering the .gov sends the ammo to be destroyed instead of sold, I could see the motivation for some assigned with the task to "Demil" the stuff selling it instead. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VAGNONIRS 4 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 Wow, I've been to that store too. Did you read some of the commentsa left on the article. Some people are crazy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I used to work with MPI(the Army version) and we did alot of pawnshop investigations to see who was buying contraband and more importantly, who was selling it. Most the Shop owners were happy to work with us. Nothing says "I'm screwed" quite like getting caught selling Military goods you're not even supposed to have access to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 lol chAir Force had use SWAT lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jdtravers 637 Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 NO active duty military unit may take part in this type of action on American Soil. OSI conducted the investigation and turned it over to the FBI, who would conduct the actual, hands on raid of the civilian business establishment. If the business establishment was on the military reservation, then they (OSI) would have arresting authorization, but they DO NOT have any authorization off of the military reservation. Only in National Emergencies will military units be give additional authority to act on civilian matters. Jack 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heath_h49008 442 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 But it would make sense for them to be along in an unofficial capacity to identify the items or personnel. If an active duty airman was there and involved, it might change matters. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SOPMOD 254 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 DOD investigators are the ones who show up if someone is selling stolen military items. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
longhorn 81 Posted August 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) I, E-mailed my buddy who was a RRF for the base here in town about this and this is the conversation we had. His name is A. http://www.lvrj.com/...-128106808.html Waite said : What do you think about this ......... A said: OSI is the air forces version of the FBI, there is no reason as to why they were involved. Posse Comitatus prohibits this, even if they're the "tactical command", they can only do their job on DoD property. This is what martial law looks like. They're so bored that they jump into stuff like this, illegally. The military is being morphed into an illegal civilian role, it's been going on since 9/11. Military intelligence has been spying on people at least to my knowledge as far back as 2002, if not sooner. Waite said:Even though it's not DoD property, do you think it involved DoD personnel and property and that's why they are involved? Stolen guns or ammo perhaps? A said:If it involved DoD personnel and property, more than likely there would have been a couple of OSI guys there to oversea any inventory, and potentially a couple SP's (airforce MP's) to officiate/oversea any arrests, document inventory, and maybe seal any evidence for DoD. the alphabet agencies can do all of this without DoD assistance, so their presence there was unnecessary. If OSI had any direct involvement other than observation of any DoD personnel or equipment, then court martials need to happen. This raid is standard enforcement of fed and local agencies. Edited August 21, 2011 by Waite Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fromxtor 20 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 I know for a fact OSI investigates stuff off base, both here and overseas. I have quite a few OSI friends. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted August 21, 2011 Report Share Posted August 21, 2011 (edited) chair force must have thought someone was sitting in their recliner jk Edited August 21, 2011 by Russian Hammer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shortyd044 1 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Years ago while I was active USAF I had the FBI and USAF Security Police searched my house Off Base. It was explained to me that the reason the FBI is involved was because they are a Federal entity used when not on government property, and the USAF SP was along to identify military owned equipment. The reason for the search? An ejection seat came up missing from a F-105 aircraft I worked on the night before and they checked on everyone that was involved with that aircraft. When they realized that my only mode of transportation was a Honda CB-350 motorcycle and that it was highly unlikely that I drove through the base and out of a guarded gate with an ejection seat, I was removed from the suspect list. Still, it freaked my wife out when she opened the door and (2) FBI agents flashed their badges and (2) SP's in uniform were standing behind them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BuffetDestroyer 969 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 This isn't be the first or last time that a gun store gets busted for selling things they know they shouldn't (i.e. illegally converted guns, stolen US Govt. weapons, stolen law enforcement weapons etc). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Why in the heck would the Air Force raid anybody?? Was the guy trying to sell a Sidewinder or Phoenix missile?? You'd be surprised what grows legs and walks off military installations. Sounds like they were just along for the ride to identify Government Property. AFOSI, CID, NCIS are always out and about around military bases gathering intelligence on anything, stolen property, drug trafficking, etc. Lots of local LEO agencies seek their assistance in lots of cases as well. A couple stolen cases of MREs could have been just the tip of the iceberg. With a base as big as Nellis, this shop could have been moving lots of other USAF property. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fromxtor 20 Posted August 23, 2011 Report Share Posted August 23, 2011 ^^ 100% truth 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Pumping both Air Force threads with this info I found. http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=2050 That's all....... Read the whole thing, the raid is mentioned prominently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jrance@iacwds.com 716 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Pumping both Air Force threads with this info I found. http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=2050 That's all....... Read the whole thing, the raid is mentioned prominently. WHOA!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zenman223 460 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 WOW, thats all I can say. I couldnt even finish the whole article, its so ridiculous it was clearly a waste of time reading it all! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dcdevoe 0 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 i like sbr without stamps and filing the sear on my weapon so its full auto,or at least I did when I was young and had nothing to lose. Bottom line is if we play with things we should not the man will come,and whats right is dictated by them. whats fair or what the letter of the law etc doesnt matter at this point because you will go one way or the other. the big one now in our town is for the young police to jump in front of the car while dumping a 16 round magazine through the drivers windscreen,oh yeah shouting"stop resisting!" so the kid with the expired revoked licence or bag of grass went to the field forever because he tried to run. and the papers report the guy tried to run down the cops. so whats right is what they say is right. I know kids with storage spaces full of armor,webbing,even weapon parts so you guys are absolutely right that mres are just the tip. and we pay for all that stuff again one way or the other. now I wouldnt mind some of their equipment except my rifles are better than theirs,I wouldnt want any of the hologram or infra red bombing indicators getting into the hands of taliban al qaeda assholes and have them sending our own bombs at our people or passing through our troops with the holograms under our uavs and helicopters. its tough because were all freedom lovers definitely,less government is more,but i have partners in places with no government and that shit is scary,armed camp 24 hours a day when anyone you meet after dark is an enemy or a victim? I dont care what movies are playing in your head that sucks big time. I have never had a police try to enter my home for no reason,out of the blue,without fair reason not ever..one way or the other I brought them there myself.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bean.223 365 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 i like sbr without stamps and filing the sear on my weapon so its full auto,or at least I did when I was young and had nothing to lose. Bottom line is if we play with things we should not the man will come,and whats right is dictated by them. whats fair or what the letter of the law etc doesnt matter at this point because you will go one way or the other. the big one now in our town is for the young police to jump in front of the car while dumping a 16 round magazine through the drivers windscreen,oh yeah shouting"stop resisting!" so the kid with the expired revoked licence or bag of grass went to the field forever because he tried to run. and the papers report the guy tried to run down the cops. so whats right is what they say is right. I know kids with storage spaces full of armor,webbing,even weapon parts so you guys are absolutely right that mres are just the tip. and we pay for all that stuff again one way or the other. now I wouldnt mind some of their equipment except my rifles are better than theirs,I wouldnt want any of the hologram or infra red bombing indicators getting into the hands of taliban al qaeda assholes and have them sending our own bombs at our people or passing through our troops with the holograms under our uavs and helicopters. its tough because were all freedom lovers definitely,less government is more,but i have partners in places with no government and that shit is scary,armed camp 24 hours a day when anyone you meet after dark is an enemy or a victim? I dont care what movies are playing in your head that sucks big time. I have never had a police try to enter my home for no reason,out of the blue,without fair reason not ever..one way or the other I brought them there myself.. well that seems spammy or .....something... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MT Predator 2,294 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 i like sbr without stamps and filing the sear on my weapon so its full auto,or at least I did when I was young and had nothing to lose. Bottom line is if we play with things we should not the man will come,and whats right is dictated by them. whats fair or what the letter of the law etc doesnt matter at this point because you will go one way or the other. the big one now in our town is for the young police to jump in front of the car while dumping a 16 round magazine through the drivers windscreen,oh yeah shouting"stop resisting!" so the kid with the expired revoked licence or bag of grass went to the field forever because he tried to run. and the papers report the guy tried to run down the cops. so whats right is what they say is right. I know kids with storage spaces full of armor,webbing,even weapon parts so you guys are absolutely right that mres are just the tip. and we pay for all that stuff again one way or the other. now I wouldnt mind some of their equipment except my rifles are better than theirs,I wouldnt want any of the hologram or infra red bombing indicators getting into the hands of taliban al qaeda assholes and have them sending our own bombs at our people or passing through our troops with the holograms under our uavs and helicopters. its tough because were all freedom lovers definitely,less government is more,but i have partners in places with no government and that shit is scary,armed camp 24 hours a day when anyone you meet after dark is an enemy or a victim? I dont care what movies are playing in your head that sucks big time. I have never had a police try to enter my home for no reason,out of the blue,without fair reason not ever..one way or the other I brought them there myself.. well that seems spammy or .....something... NAH... not spammy... Just a rant... a bit SARCASTIC... a little paranoid, perhaps... edgy... Your issue is that it is poorly written. I need to get out my red "english teacher" pen so I can correct the grammar there. Still... Its certainly not spam... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LeoPTY 24 Posted August 30, 2011 Report Share Posted August 30, 2011 Wow, I couldn't make it past the nuclear detonators. How does one even draw these conclusions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
IndyArms 10,186 Posted August 31, 2011 Report Share Posted August 31, 2011 Read the part II topic of this thread and all will become clear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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