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Denny's pancakes are just as good. :rolleyes:

 

What's with this "automatic" gunfire the media keeps on reporting about lately? I guess they don't know about (or are too lazy to look up) Tac triggers or bump fire, eh? :angry:

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Denny's pancakes are just as good. :rolleyes:

 

What's with this "automatic" gunfire the media keeps on reporting about lately? I guess they don't know about (or are too lazy to look up) Tac triggers or bump fire, eh? :angry:

 

 

The media does not care. They will post any Saiga/Kalashnikov based rifle as an "assult weapon"! They do not meet the definition unless they are full auto, same goes for any M14/ar15, ect.

 

The Media does not care and should be educated more so than the public!

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I'm not sure we know that the two national guardsmen were specifically targeted, meaning he knew they were in there and went in after them. He may have just decided to shoot up an Ihop and they happened to be in there.

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I'd almost bet he knew the girl and she had either dumped or snubed him at some point or more likely, he was infatuated and she didn't even know it. The Guardsmen were just in the wrong place, wrong time.

 

What I do know of Hispanic culture is that is tends to be very "machismo", in some ways a good thing, others, not so much. Couple that with a family friend saying that he "seemed a little slow"/history of a mental issue and a woman, it can't end well.

 

But I may be totally wrong too. Will be interesting to see what comes out.

 

Sad thing, besides the deaths, is that he just gave the antigunners more ammo. I'd really like to know where he got the guns and if the AK was in fact full auto?

 

I salute the fallen, Miltiary and Civilian. If only they'd been armed, it may have been very much different.

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What is it with people who hate the military; we don't make the big decisions, just follow orders.

 

I don't think it's that simple. Nice try, though. And since when does hate have to be rational?

 

 

I'd really like to know where he got the guns and if the AK was in fact full auto?

 

Could have made it himself. With the tens of millions of AK47s produced in the last 60 or so years, it's not like there's a lack of auto trigger groups out there.

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I don't think it's that simple. Nice try, though. And since when does hate have to be rational?

 

I've been in the last 8.5 years, I consider myself somewhat of a subject matter expert.;)

 

I'm sure the investigators in Carson City will be giving you a call. Right now we don't if he hated anything, except maybe blueberry pancakes. The whole argument is moot until somebody who is actually there can come up with a motive based on fact and not speculation.

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I don't think it's that simple. Nice try, though. And since when does hate have to be rational?

 

I've been in the last 8.5 years, I consider myself somewhat of a subject matter expert.;)

 

I'm sure the investigators in Carson City will be giving you a call. Right now we don't if he hated anything, except maybe blueberry pancakes. The whole argument is moot until somebody who is actually there can come up with a motive based on fact and not speculation.

 

No speculation on this forum? :lolol:

 

But you are correct, they have a lot of facts to find.

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The media does not care. They will post any Saiga/Kalashnikov based rifle as an "assult weapon"! They do not meet the definition unless they are full auto, same goes for any M14/ar15, ect.

 

The Media does not care and should be educated more so than the public!

 

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What I was replying to was the retort to my previous coment, there seems to be certain individuals in the U.S. who seem to feel the military just goes and starts wars with other countries on a whim.:rolleyes:

 

Again, I think you're being overly simplistic. I'm not saying that there aren't people who hate the military. I'm not saying that hating the military is rational. It's like cops - society needs them, but people don't like the state monopoly on violence being misused or used incompetently/arbitrarily. It makes them nervous, which translates into a generalized mistrust of any rank and file cop/soldier who probably means well.

 

But "soldiers just follow orders" and "certain individuals in the U.S. seem to feel the military just goes and starts wars with other countries on a whim" are pretty disingenuous and simplistic explanations of the way people actually operate. I'm sure Squeaky Fromme and Adolf Eichmann were "just following orders" as well. Or maybe they willingly collaborated and believed in what they were doing. Did anyone put guns to their heads and make them do the things they did? Or did they join in their causes of their own free will?

 

I think what scares people is other people's tendency toward violent zealotry, no matter what the cause. I'm not saying all cops or soldiers are violent zealots, but there's enough bad apples to make the populace nervous and distrustful. That and how easily some people are mislead into fighting wars for the benefit of our politicians' corporate sponsors under the guise of nationalism. If our leaders are able to whip the populace into a frenzy over whatever bullshit cause, we ultimately know our head could be on the chopping block tomorrow.

 

Don't take this the wrong way. We need cops and we need a military. That doesn't mean we have to like everything they do all the time.

 

ETA - go ahead and minus away without saying anything, guys. It shows a lot of class, totally proves me wrong, and hurts my feelings to boot.

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What I was replying to was the retort to my previous coment, there seems to be certain individuals in the U.S. who seem to feel the military just goes and starts wars with other countries on a whim.:rolleyes:

 

Again, I think you're being overly simplistic. I'm not saying that there aren't people who hate the military. I'm not saying that hating the military is rational. It's like cops - society needs them, but people don't like the state monopoly on violence being misused or used incompetently/arbitrarily. It makes them nervous, which translates into a generalized mistrust of any rank and file cop/soldier who probably means well.

 

But "soldiers just follow orders" and "certain individuals in the U.S. seem to feel the military just goes and starts wars with other countries on a whim" are pretty disingenuous and simplistic explanations of the way people actually operate. I'm sure Squeaky Fromme and Adolf Eichmann were "just following orders" as well. Or maybe they willingly collaborated and believed in what they were doing. Did anyone put guns to their heads and make them do the things they did? Or did they join in their causes of their own free will?

 

I think what scares people is other people's tendency toward violent zealotry, no matter what the cause. I'm not saying all cops or soldiers are violent zealots, but there's enough bad apples to make the populace nervous and distrustful. That and how easily some people are mislead into fighting wars for the benefit of our politicians' corporate sponsors under the guise of nationalism. If our leaders are able to whip the populace into a frenzy over whatever bullshit cause, we ultimately know our head could be on the chopping block tomorrow.

 

Don't take this the wrong way. We need cops and we need a military. That doesn't mean we have to like everything they do all the time.

 

Comparing today's U.S. military to Nazi war criminals isn't helping your point. If you want to state you distrust the motives of servicemembers and police officers, by all means do so.... but don't expect a warm response from the vets on the forum by comparing their service to nationalist socialist engineered genocidde. I don't ask for much... but not to be compared to the third reich isn't too much to hope for, I believe.

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Comparing today's U.S. military to Nazi war criminals isn't helping your point. If you want to state you distrust the motives of servicemembers and police officers, by all means do so.... but don't expect a warm response from the vets on the forum by comparing their service to nationalist socialist engineered genocidde. I don't ask for much... but not to be compared to the third reich isn't too much to hope for, I believe.

 

I can't help it. It's the law.

 

My point is that one army's righteous cause is another's genocide, and that following orders isn't a universally legitimate excuse. Not all soldiers are nazis, but pretty much all nazis were soldiers who were "following orders." There is a distinction there, but don't pretend that aren't bad apples everywhere, or that most nazis weren't also soldiers following orders.

 

I recognize that the military is a tool at the disposal of politicians, and that you go where you're told no matter what moral ambiguities/doubts you may personally have about your mission. With the general distrust of politicians in this country, is there really any doubt why the civilian population is somewhat distrustful of the violence wing of the government?

 

Like I said, it's just not as simple as the propaganda/oversimplification that was stated before.

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Comparing today's U.S. military to Nazi war criminals isn't helping your point. If you want to state you distrust the motives of servicemembers and police officers, by all means do so.... but don't expect a warm response from the vets on the forum by comparing their service to nationalist socialist engineered genocidde. I don't ask for much... but not to be compared to the third reich isn't too much to hope for, I believe.

 

I can't help it. It's the law.

 

 

Umm, what's law, exactly?

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Comparing today's U.S. military to Nazi war criminals isn't helping your point. If you want to state you distrust the motives of servicemembers and police officers, by all means do so.... but don't expect a warm response from the vets on the forum by comparing their service to nationalist socialist engineered genocidde. I don't ask for much... but not to be compared to the third reich isn't too much to hope for, I believe.

 

I can't help it. It's the law.

 

 

Umm, what's law, exactly?

 

Godwin's Law. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

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Comparing today's U.S. military to Nazi war criminals isn't helping your point. If you want to state you distrust the motives of servicemembers and police officers, by all means do so.... but don't expect a warm response from the vets on the forum by comparing their service to nationalist socialist engineered genocidde. I don't ask for much... but not to be compared to the third reich isn't too much to hope for, I believe.

 

I can't help it. It's the law.

 

 

Umm, what's law, exactly?

 

Godwin's Law. http://en.wikipedia..../Godwin%27s_law

 

I guess you got me there, sir :smoke:

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