Remy222 0 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 recently made purchase on new saiga .223 n wanting to put on ak74 style muzzle brake http://store.carolin...KE-SAIGA/Detail by installing this i know that it'll trigger 922r...but my question is do i have to add bullet button as well??... i don't have pistol grip and not planning on it. as for conversion parts, i have surefire magazine (-3), muzzle brake (-1), planning on gas piston (-1), no pistol grip (-1)..so that makes 10 parts from 16 total... here's picture of my rifle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 handguard is also -1 part, and a bullet button has nothing to do with 922r, but might be needed if your in California Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 If you add any parts such as a pistol grip or muzzle break, your total parts count increases. Adding US parts makes the increased parts count a moot point. Right now, if you are using a high cap mag, your rifle is not 922 compliant. The UTG forearm is a import part, and doesn't help your count. US made mags are 3 parts,which leaves your rifle with 11 imported parts. Installing a US piston will bring you to compliance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remy222 0 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 so as long as i keep it 'sporter stock' instead of pistol grip, i'm good w/0 bullet button? and yes i live in cali Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 utg forearm is not an import Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remy222 0 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 i didn't count UTG forearm...i thought it was US made but it says china on it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted September 30, 2011 Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 utg forearm is not an import The Saiga 12 UTG is US stamped. All six of my rifle UTG HGs are marked China. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remy222 0 Posted September 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2011 what would be the case if i permanently attach the muzzle brake?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 you're right, i just assumed since the s12 forearm is us made that the ak one would be too Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Per the DPH website, the S12 UTG is not 922R compliant. I have read elsewhere that the UTG rail used to be made in the US, but at some point production was moved offshore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 FYI UTG makes two identical s12 forearms some are make in USA some in china. I forget how to recognize them, but if you do an ebay search. the american one is always a little more money. They have a different model number too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkforce 4 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 First consult the flowchart Because you are a PRK Resident: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf I dont think your angled front grip is legal without a bullet button. Next Use The 922r Calculator to determine 922r status of Saiga: http://jobson.us/922r/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remy222 0 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 First consult the flowchart Because you are a PRK Resident: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf I dont think your angled front grip is legal without a bullet button. Next Use The 922r Calculator to determine 922r status of Saiga: http://jobson.us/922r/ thanks for point it out. did some searching on this forum regarding afg and seems theres list of debate whether its legal or not... as for me...i'll just play safe and remove it... next.. can anyone tell me whether i have to install bullet button if i install muzzle brake on my saiga rifle? this was my main question... regarding 922r.. i have surefire magazine (10rd), and ordered gas piston thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted October 6, 2011 Report Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) I've seen the Kalifornia definition of a compensator or muzzle brake versus a flash suppressor. Basically, if the muzzle opening of your device is bullet-diameter (plus a little clearance), that's considered a brake or a compensator, and does NOT trigger the 'assault weapons' crap. If your muzzle device has a significantly-larger-than projectile hole at the business end, it's a flash suppressor. Edited October 6, 2011 by Scott Kenny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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