beachman 1 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 I understand Saigas are capable of good accuracy, and I am wondering, is there anything one can do during the conversion process to the sights, barrel, etc. to maximize the accuracy of a Saiga rifle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Good ammo and practice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Outside of some type of improved sights, e.g. peeps vs open irons... Not really much to be done. The main two things would be, try many types of ammo, to find out which one your rifle likes best, and improve on your skills. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 People on here have huge variances on what ammo works for them. Some get best groups with wolf and surplus stuff bites big time. Others have amazing results with the Yugoslav surplus. Try all of it, whatever seems to group best buy a metric ton. I think people have discovered ammo is a huge factor in how these rifles perform accuracy wise. It'll shoot it all. But some a little straighter than others Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 they all usually shoot better with quality american ammo too. handloaders have gotten the best results. but i agree, shoot several types and you'll get a good idea of the overall accuracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Quality ammo, and a quality FCG maybe. At its heart, a Saiga is an AK. They're buit with reliability in mind; not as tack-drivers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beachman 1 Posted October 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 Jim Fuller takes Saiga 308 and accurizes them. If he can do it, it can be done. There have to be simple things that will tighten things up. I'm not looking for bolt action accuracy, just to improve things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kdbutler 563 Posted October 1, 2011 Report Share Posted October 1, 2011 What is Jim Fuller telling you then, beachman? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beachman 1 Posted October 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Jim hasn't told me anything. I'm speaking of his GSR product, listed on his website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salmonking 149 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 Re-crown the muzzle if you want to an 11 degree angle, and possibly upgrade your iron sights. Those are the only hardware improvements to "increase accuracy". The most influential aspect is always going to be the person behind the trigger though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 I for one am holding my breath for that ol genie in a lamp. I know I will find it eventually! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JaredC 23 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 After seeing the 1000yd AK episode on SOG I too have been fascinated on this topic. Yesterday I searched ".308 sniper" or " accurate .308" on this forum and came up with a ton of info and results. Will Haydens write up on all of what he did to the 1000yd AK on the show was very interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
manatee 2 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 After seeing the 1000yd AK episode on SOG I too have been fascinated on this topic. Yesterday I searched ".308 sniper" or " accurate .308" on this forum and came up with a ton of info and results. Will Haydens write up on all of what he did to the 1000yd AK on the show was very interesting. Where is Will's writeup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JaredC 23 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/69277-long-range-ak-tech-specs/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 im sure polishing the trigger group and carrier would help smooth out the action and cause less ill effect when fired. jim fuller has been doing ak work for some time. im sure his knowledge and ability to do those things are what keep him in business. i have never seen him post his secrets of success either. (i dont know if that info can be found, i just havent seen it) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted October 2, 2011 Report Share Posted October 2, 2011 C'mon folks, its not like Jim Fuller's GSRs nor Red Jacket's efforts on that custom build, other than the trigger work, have much bearing on Beachman's conversion. What can the average guy do? Sights, a good set of peeps, e.g. Tech-Sights. Trigger job, polish and set over travel stops. Re-crown the barrel, 11' target crown. Polish/debur all the internals. Find the guns favorite ammo. Practice our marksmanship, the 'Six Steps to Firing a Shot'. Tune the bolt's face? * Tune the breech?* Tune and fit locking lugs?* Head space and repin barrel?* * Not something I'd recommend anyone but a gunsmith very familiar with the AK platform attempt. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 All *I* would do is to spend the money to find the ammo your rifle likes, and buy a LOT of it. Then shoot it until you are consistent. Doesn't matter how tight the rest of the rifle is if the nut behind the buttplate is loose! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rifleshooter474 2 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 As for a good scope for the AKs these are the best IMHO. http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scopes/posp.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dudethebagman 222 Posted October 3, 2011 Report Share Posted October 3, 2011 Skills, ammo, sights, trigger. More or less in that order. Quality ammo and sights that don't cover a foot at 100 yards are of equal importance. Shooting good ammo with the stock irons won't really give you the benefit of the better ammo because your front sight post will likely be as wide as your target at 100 yards. Some people do better, but I can hardly keep my rounds on an 8.5 x 11" sheet of paper at 100 yards with stock sights. Part of that's my skills, but part of that is that the AK wasn't born with precision sights. Shooting crap ammo with a scope or smaller front sight post will let you see the large spread you are shooting without being obscured by the larger front sight post. Of course, the best equipped and most precise rifle in the world will only shoot as well as the person behind the trigger. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Parf 19 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 (edited) I heard somewhere there were good results to be had cutting down longer barreled Saiga .308's to 18" and putting a target crown on it. More accurate during strings of fire. Maybe someone else knows better, I don't have a .308 and I heard it on some other forum somewhere. I think it was Rifle Dynamics doing this. edited because of whiskey. Edited October 4, 2011 by Parf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
my762buzz 141 Posted October 4, 2011 Report Share Posted October 4, 2011 I understand Saigas are capable of good accuracy, and I am wondering, is there anything one can do during the conversion process to the sights, barrel, etc. to maximize the accuracy of a Saiga rifle? Upgrade the barrel and headspace it as tight as possible. A match grade bull barrel like a douglas air gauged with a slower twist rate and a premium crown. Match grade ammo with bullets that actually match the exact bore diameter. I had posted up a thread sometime back about someone that did this and his first 5 shot group was under an inch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frankyoz 15 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Granted i have a 20in barreled version, I upgraded my rear to a peep with a slimmer front post and most people that shoot it, A. Dont realize it has a 20in barrel and B comment on how accurate it is for an AK. So why not upgrade your sights and go down the good quality ammo route and define what type of "accuracy" your desiring Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 Pay particular attention to the butt stock and hand guard fit. Anything less than "tight as a bull's ass in fly time" will affect accuracy. LIGHTLY stone the trigger for a smooth release, go easy just make it smooth, too light is worse than a bit heavy for a trigger and smooth beats 'gritty'. Bend the dust cover a tweak to make it "tight as a bull's ass in fly time" (see a pattern here? any part that can move or vibrate freely will reduce accuracy). Re-crown the barrel, and try different muzzle breaks and flash hiders. Muzzle attachments change barrel harmonics, some for the good, some for the bad. SHOOT MANY MANY ROUNDS! Every gun has a favorite ammo, and every shooter needs to fire hundreds of rounds thru their gun to find that ammo and to build their 'muscle memory' of that gun. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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