pony_express1973 183 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I'm looking at a century AK-47 does anybidy know how they are I don't want to but a POS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I have two SAR 2's in 5.45 they are a older CAI import but I love both of them I payed $300 each pre-08. They run in the $5-600 dollar range lately but compared to the WASR I once had they are top of the line. You can also get them in 7.62 "SAR 1" and 223 "SAR 3" if you are wanting a cheap AK I would look for a used one of these before buying a WASR. For the price of a WASR or SAR you could buy a Saiga and convert it for the same cash and have a true russian AK.JMO. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
antinwo 57 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 I have shot the shit out of mine for 3 years now and no problems ever. Very reliable rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 CIA Wasr fit and finish very from gun to gun. Canted sights are common, but the gun always goes bang. Not bad guns for the money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mgconnor13 206 Posted October 31, 2011 Report Share Posted October 31, 2011 mine goes bang every time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pony_express1973 183 Posted November 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I have two SAR 2's in 5.45 they are a older CAI import but I love both of them I payed $300 each pre-08. They run in the $5-600 dollar range lately but compared to the WASR I once had they are top of the line. You can also get them in 7.62 "SAR 1" and 223 "SAR 3" if you are wanting a cheap AK I would look for a used one of these before buying a WASR. For the price of a WASR or SAR you could buy a Saiga and convert it for the same cash and have a true russian AK.JMO. The one I'm looking at is a CAI with a price tag of around 560 before shipping and FL transfer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 Why not jusy get a saiga and convert it? Buying Century is kinda like buying dunkin donuts coffee. One week you get one and you swear it's A gift from god, the next week it's burned to a crisp with 1/4 pound of grounds in the cup. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 If it is a complete rifle IMPORTED by century, then modified, it's usually okay. Romanian rifles are not known for superb quality control. If it's a parts kit built on a century receiver, you're more likely to have problems. I've seen century rifles that functioned flawlessly, and those that had jaw-dropping manufacturing mistakes (like receiver damage from rear trunnion installation, and in one case an extra hole drilled in the bolt carrier where the piston is installed). What hutch said is pretty damned accurate. You just never know with century-built rifles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
St.Zu 2 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I have a century 74 that shoots better than I can. I have had more problems with my saiga (2 misfeeds) than I have had with my 74 with twice as many rounds through it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I own a SAR1 & SAR3. When I completed the process of swapping out triggers and other parts, they became decent shooters. Personally, I would not own a neutered WASR from Century. Yakdung Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TARE 47 Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 I try to stay away from them and encourage you to do the same. I have a century 74 that shoots better than I can. I have had more problems with my saiga (2 misfeeds) than I have had with my 74 with twice as many rounds through it. This is contrary to most people's experience with these makes. What caliber Saiga, who did the conversion, does it have the Bullet guide if applicable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 If it is a complete rifle IMPORTED by century, then modified, it's usually okay. Romanian rifles are not known for superb quality control. If it's a parts kit built on a century receiver, you're more likely to have problems. I've seen century rifles that functioned flawlessly, and those that had jaw-dropping manufacturing mistakes (like receiver damage from rear trunnion installation, and in one case an extra hole drilled in the bolt carrier where the piston is installed). What hutch said is pretty damned accurate. You just never know with century-built rifles. This is true. If Century BUILT it, I would pay close attention when buying. If they IMPORTED it, such as a SAR or WASR, well, still pay close attention, but your chances are a lot higher of getting a good, well-made gun. I have a WASR-10/63 that has none of the commonly known problems. I'd stack it up against my Saiga and any other AK that came my way. It has been that good. A M74 or Tantal with a US-made barrel, built by Century? Ehh, probably not, but they can still be a ton of fun if the right guy made it on the right day of the week. Just look at it before you buy if you can at all manage to do that. Ordering online is a crapshoot with Century for this very reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgp 12 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I have a Polish 1960 milled AK-47, a Yugo M70AB2, and a Romanian Draco (just sold) - all problem free. The Polish and the Yugo build quality is superb. Both are parkerized, not painted. Action and fitting is very nice - much nicer than my Saiga. It was my understanding that these 2 models were contracted out by Century so I don't know if that's representative of Century as a company. I understand Century has a bad rep particularly with AKs but so far, I have been lucky and not have had any issues and can even say that at least these 2 rifles are the best I've had. One thing that is true is that I inspected both rifles before I bought them so I know they're good to go. I would agree, based on what I've read other people say, is that Century is a crapshoot and you REALLY need to inspect it before you buy. I tend to agree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Is this still a saiga forum?! If you want closer to a 100% guarantee that you'll get a excellent rifle just convert a saiga. This thread belongs in the other ak rifles section. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 it takes a special kind of idiot to be able to fuck up an ak build, unfortunately 1 in 100 of century's employees, are just special enough... Good guns, good parts, great prices, and just enough QC horror stories to make you hesitate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pony_express1973 183 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Is this still a saiga forum?! If you want closer to a 100% guarantee that you'll get a excellent rifle just convert a saiga. This thread belongs in the other ak rifles section. Really are we going to get that trivial.... the heading does say Saiga and other Ak based rifles but if the Mods want to move it no skin off my back. I'm just trying to find an ak that wont cost an arm and a leg that is reliable Maybe even a SAIGA 7.62x39 Edited November 2, 2011 by pony_express1973 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bikermutt07 10 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Is this still a saiga forum?! If you want closer to a 100% guarantee that you'll get a excellent rifle just convert a saiga. This thread belongs in the other ak rifles section. Really are we going to get that trivial.... the heading does say Saiga and other Ak based rifles but if the Mods want to move it no skin off my back. I'm just trying to find an ak that wont cost an arm and a leg that is reliable Maybe even a SAIGA 7.62x39 If you really want reliable, own a few small tools, and don't want to spend an arm and a leg, the saiga is for you. The price on the rifle is right, the quality is great, the conversion is really cheap, plus when you get it done you feel like you really did something. There is a ton of easily gained knowledge here. This saiga pictured is my first AK variant and I'm pleased. I think I did a good job on it, plus I have a more personal relationship to the gun and its workings since I actually did the conversion myself. You could go all out and convert the front end if you want, but if you're really looking to break into the AK market (cheaply), the saiga seems the way to go. It's hard to mess up the simple conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
banshee 69 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I have a Yugo underfolder and it runs great. No Problems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pony_express1973 183 Posted November 3, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 Well looks like its going to be another Saiga for me as soon as I can fit it into the budget I'm going to start looking now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TARE 47 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 It makes me laugh a little when I hear people saying how much better their Century Builds are than a Saiga, makes me think you either haven't converted it, or should've had someone else do it for you. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I've got their RPK and after 300-400rinds, it hasn't so much as hiccuped. I did pull the front barrel mounted bipod and switched out the "Chicom" P grip, but I'm hitting 1.5-2" groups at 100yrds. I'm happy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I've got their RPK and after 300-400rinds, it hasn't so much as hiccuped. I did pull the front barrel mounted bipod and switched out the "Chicom" P grip, but I'm hitting 1.5-2" groups at 100yrds. I'm happy. How is the RPK? And how much did it run for? Saw one at a show recently for about $1000. Considered getting it since the fit and finish was pretty damn good. But I wasn't too sure about the price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Mine was just under $800 this summer, Everything seems tight and I havn't had any problems. Am looking to bullpup it this next year. It may actually be cheaper than the Veprs(same receiver and heavier barrel, I think) and uses regular AK47 mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Ahh, that'll be something to look into. Perhaps I can haggle the seller down. Oh how I've missed this forum, baha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Is this still a saiga forum?! If you want closer to a 100% guarantee that you'll get a excellent rifle just convert a saiga. This thread belongs in the other ak rifles section. Really are we going to get that trivial.... the heading does say Saiga and other Ak based rifles but if the Mods want to move it no skin off my back. I'm just trying to find an ak that wont cost an arm and a leg that is reliable Maybe even a SAIGA 7.62x39 Your right. The best place to find out how a burger king cheeseburgers are is at a mcdonalds. And many people enjoy the organization of this forum and it is appreciated to keep topics in the appropriate sections. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ryan6864 11 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 It all depends on who you ask, I own 2 WASRs and recently found out through the wealth of misknowledge on the internet that they are total POS cant shoot straight, wont fire, and basically fall apart. Man I wish someone would have told me that before I feed 1000 plus rds through each one with just a few FTFs in the first few 100-200 and took them on countless hog hunts beating the hell out of them. The truth is most AKs you can buy now are parts kits (Saiga of course is the real deal only with a bastard trigger stuck on it easy fix though) the beauty of the AK is that it was designed to fit loose so that parts can be swapped around for repairs and also it helps it to keep on working in the worse conditions. Will the cheap AKs work your damn right they will the AK is simple we aren't talking about an over engineered rifle with 200 moving parts in it. The difference is in the quality of the parts. You can see the difference clear as night and day between my WASRs and my Saiga. With current prices just under $300 the quality vs cost of the Saiga can not be beat by any other AK out there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pony_express1973 183 Posted November 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) Is this still a saiga forum?! If you want closer to a 100% guarantee that you'll get a excellent rifle just convert a saiga. This thread belongs in the other ak rifles section. Really are we going to get that trivial.... the heading does say Saiga and other Ak based rifles but if the Mods want to move it no skin off my back. I'm just trying to find an ak that wont cost an arm and a leg that is reliable Maybe even a SAIGA 7.62x39 Your right. The best place to find out how a burger king cheeseburgers are is at a mcdonalds. And many people enjoy the organization of this forum and it is appreciated to keep topics in the appropriate sections. Thanks I hope you give this much attention to each and every person who puts their post in the wrong section (even thought this post is where it belongs) I guess it's good to know that some people have nothing else better to do than try and give other people a hard time about meaningless crap. Back on topic I decided to go with a saiga and convert it's the only way to know you got a good rifle Edited November 6, 2011 by pony_express1973 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shandlanos 1,470 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 It's not the only way, but definitely the most cost-effective. If you buy an Arsenal product, you'll almost definitely get a high-quality rifle, and I can tell you from personal experience that their customer service has greatly improved in the last year. If you did happen to get a lemon, I'm fairly sure they'd make things right. I have one modern-day Arsenal product, a 107FR. I also have an old Arsenal Bulgaria model 100H, just an imported receiver with a Hungarian parts kit built on it. Both rifles have worked extremely well for me - the finish on the 107FR is much nicer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 The only other Century *import* I'd buy is a Yugo M76. My PSL has been finnicky. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tdp378 1 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 +1 on getting a saiga. I paid 289 bucks for my 7.62. Converting it is a blast and you learn all you need to know about how the gun operates. Plus in the end you know you have a true Russian ak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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