baraban7.62 20 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 i have converted my 5.45, installed the bullet guide, but had to modify it to be able to use the original 10 rounder, last round still jammed on military mags, so i uninstalled the BG and ordered another one, just now installed it without modifying it, and still the last round jammes. HELP, dont know what to do Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ViperHummel 3 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 My dealer converts his 5.45 saigas and DOES NOT put the bullet guide in. It uses AK74 Mags and the factory saiga mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sickness 89 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Good pics of how it jams would be helpful, I'm sure. Also, make sure it actually jams when firing, not just when feeding the rounds slowly manually (riding bolt home, etc). Are you sure the mags are good? DIsassemble them and see. Maybe clean them up. As for the factory mag..you're not supposed to modify the BG. You put the BG in stock, and you modify the factory mag to make it match the front lip profile of the AK74 magazines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 i have converted my 5.45, installed the bullet guide, but had to modify it to be able to use the original 10 rounder, last round still jammed on military mags, so i uninstalled the BG and ordered another one, just now installed it without modifying it, and still the last round jammes. HELP, dont know what to do How many different mags have you tried? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 i have 5 Izhmash mags, 3 of them jam on the last round, i know about the "riding bolt home" issue, and i let it slam like it would when firing, still the last round does not feed properly and hits the bottom of the barrel and gets stuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Could you provide pics of the installed bullet guide? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 i've done this about 5-6 times on different 7.62 saigas, with NO issues, but this was the first for 5.45, and this happens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnNicholasM 7 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 It will be interesting to see how this turns out, Baraban. I have shot my new 5.45 Saiga less than 100 rounds, but have had no feeding issues with the factory 10 round mag, or Polish Metal Mags. If I let the bolt down slowly, by hand, the bullet jams against the breech of the barrel, of course. Let the bolt fly home and the round pops up and in like it should. I know I need more range time before I can make a qualified judgement; but I am thinking that a Bullet Guide may not be necessary. Question for the knowledgeable out there: Do the military versions of the AK-74 have a bullet guide installed? John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 yes, all military AK's have a built in bullet guide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SergeK 15 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I would get Jams left and right before I installed the Bullet Guide with Cirlce 10s and 21s. After installing the guide I have not had one jam. Not one. I modified the Saiga 10rounder to fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I think you have the wrong BG for the rifle. The one for the 5.45 is much thicker than the x39 BG. I just went through this same issue a few weeks ago. You need the BG with the obvious ramp cut into the leading edge of it. If you have the round trunnion, it's the wider BG with the two indentations in the leading edge.... at least that's what I got. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 i bought two different BGs, 1 from CSS and modified it, and 1 from Dinzag, and dinzag didnt work either Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 i bought two different BGs, 1 from CSS and modified it, and 1 from Dinzag, and dinzag didnt work either Are you sure you installed them correctly? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supertex 242 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 what year is the rifle and who is the importer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 i think cobra is on to it. you may need to fabricate your own from a piece of pipe. maybe you can get the thickness you require. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gpqueen 545 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Sounds like the gun may be slightly out of spec. I would put a small thin washer under the bullet guide to raise it up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lksyotas 4 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) I had an issue with my Saiga 5.45 conversion feeding the last bullet also. I ended up fabricating my own from a chunk of low alloy steel. Dremel and files were my tools. I found a few pics of a demilled AK-74M online and wanted to match that one as closely as possible as I'm trying to recreate an authentic 74M build. Anyway, the guide is screwed into the trunnion and functions 100%. I will be filling in the top of the flat head screw with JB weld and grinding it flat to represent a false rivet to make it blend in a bit more. It's not perfect by any means but I'm satisfied with the results. Factory one on demilled rifle: Fabricated one: Edited November 9, 2011 by lksyotas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 My saiga is 09, i have installed quiet a few guides before, so im confident in my instalation, but i will try a washer, sounds like it could work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 Had the same problem. Ended up having to make one. Haven't had a single jam since. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidewinder11 7 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I thought 5.45x39's didn't need a BG?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cgp 12 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I thought 5.45x39's didn't need a BG?? It needs it. It will feed from normal AK-74 mags but not reliable. Hand cycling mine craps out in the last few rounds. The mag catch may also need to be filed to fit hi-cap mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 12, 2011 Report Share Posted November 12, 2011 I thought 5.45x39's didn't need a BG?? It needs it. It will feed from normal AK-74 mags but not reliable. Hand cycling mine craps out in the last few rounds. The mag catch may also need to be filed to fit hi-cap mags. hand cycling is different then firing... I have a couple with a few thousand rounds through them that would beg to differ about needing a bullet guide. They are in military guns, and to get all the way there it is required for authenticity, and "100% reliability" but as evident by this thread, it could potentially have a negative impact on reliability. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
finishman2000 2 Posted November 16, 2011 Report Share Posted November 16, 2011 one of mine needed the bg. the other one didn't. it was always the last round in the mag that owuld hang up. for $20...money well spent since it is now 100% gtg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Coaxel60 3 Posted November 18, 2011 Report Share Posted November 18, 2011 Ive had some 5.45's that need a BG and some that don't, but i always put them in for good measure. The best guide that I have used is an actual bullet guide that has been removed from a trunion from a parts kit. Slightly modify it and install. I got mine from Kvar for about 20-30 bucks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2011 what i was saying is that my 5.45 needs a bullet guide, but they do not work, it still jams with the BGs in, but after installing/uninstalling/modifying the BG/washer underneath the bg, i think i finally got it to work. Will test it shortly, will keep you all updated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 YES!!!! it finally works!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnNicholasM 7 Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 Great! So this proves it was a thickness issue, that is, the washer lifted the guide to, in effect, make it thicker. I wonder if the optimum height of the guide varies from magazine to magazine because of subtle differences in the angle of the emerging cartridge due to different follower contours? Also, all cartridges come out of the mag with another cart.pushing against it on a diagonal axis, except for the last cart. in the mag. Is this why the last cartridge is most likely to missfeed? Just thinkin. John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
baraban7.62 20 Posted November 30, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2011 I put a tiny washer underneath the guide, had to fit the lip some more to fit underneath the barrel, but it works!!! Now another issue, i used an arsenal us made trigger for this build, and every shot the trigger vibrates so bad that it hurts my finger, i had to dremmel/file the disconnector to fit in with the bolt that holds the trigger guard, who can i do to fix the issue? My ten rounder also works with the bulletguide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Now another issue, i used an arsenal us made trigger for this build, and every shot the trigger vibrates so bad that it hurts my finger, i had to dremmel/file the disconnector to fit in with the bolt that holds the trigger guard, who can i do to fix the issue? sounds like trigger slap. it occurs when the carrier is pressing down the hammer as it rides back from the gas pressure. check the hammer face to see if it is receiving much impact from the carrier. polishing this might be the answer. i would suggest researching trigger slap for more accurate analysis of this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sidewinder11 7 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Arsenal's trigger did the same thing for me too. I will never buy another Arsenal Trigger. Tapco G2 is much better and easier to install. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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