btr 15 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 There are rumors: http://www.shotgunnews.com/2011/11/02/new-molot-products-bound-for-the-us-vepr-12-tactical-shotgun/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chupa 34 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I hope this is true. I like how they talk about it not coming with the evil picatinny rail on the gas block.. give me a brake!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergii 142 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) I talked to one of the leaders of the plant. Here is a picture in my hands Vepr. Almost as will be available in the U.S. Edited November 2, 2011 by Sergii 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergii 142 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 More information is here: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/71793-new-product-announcement/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I hope this is true. I like how they talk about it not coming with the evil picatinny rail on the gas block.. give me a brake!! Dont forget kvar currently has a couple of useless Ver 030 gas blocks w/ picatinny rail, sitting in their inventory. Now they might have a purpose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I will be buying a GB soon before they are gone. And I can't wait for the VEPR 12 to come in I just got 2 VEPR 12 magwell mags a friend brought back from russia with him I was going to magwell one of my saiga's but I will wait for a VEPR. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stangfan94 1 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 (edited) Woops wrong thread but still ALL OF MY WANT! Edited November 2, 2011 by stangfan94 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jasper 19 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I am not up completely on these. Are the Saiga mags at all compatable even if they require some work or are we again looking at a wait for someone to make them. Then again the whole 922 issue is involved isnt it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Alpha Kilo 42 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I hope this is true. I like how they talk about it not coming with the evil picatinny rail on the gas block.. give me a brake!! Nope, they said they won't be coming with a brake either! Give me a break! lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red_cedar 28 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I talked to one of the leaders of the plant. Here is a picture in my hands Vepr. Almost as will be available in the U.S. Im in for one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom3of2 0 Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 shame,....they'll have to neuter that gun to sell in it NY,....or not sell it at all. I need to move! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigmegina 3 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 shame,....they'll have to neuter that gun to sell in it NY,....or not sell it at all. I need to move! as it looks in the pic at the factory that will be legal in nys.no folding stock,no pistol grip.same featurers as sagia 12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maelstrom3of2 0 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 shame,....they'll have to neuter that gun to sell in it NY,....or not sell it at all. I need to move! as it looks in the pic at the factory that will be legal in nys.no folding stock,no pistol grip.same featurers as sagia 12. I shall hope your right. The whole "conspicuously beneath the action" language we got here does not give me much faith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DogMan 2,343 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I hope this is true. I like how they talk about it not coming with the evil picatinny rail on the gas block.. give me a brake!! No problem. We've got some picatinny rail building motherfuckers among us who will come up with a retrofit better than the original or maybe even to closely resemble the original if thats what somebody wants. No worries there, just get the guns here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I am not up completely on these. Are the Saiga mags at all compatable even if they require some work or are we again looking at a wait for someone to make them. Then again the whole 922 issue is involved isnt it? I have no problem using any mags in my Russian magwell once i have filed the front lip smooth id imagine they would be the same Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I am not up completely on these. Are the Saiga mags at all compatable even if they require some work or are we again looking at a wait for someone to make them. Then again the whole 922 issue is involved isnt it? I have no problem using any mags in my Russian magwell once i have filed the front lip smooth id imagine they would be the same The problem with that, per Tony Rumore, is that the mags can and will fall out while shooting Magnum loads. So as far as I'm concerned, it's factory magwell mags all the way. Very robust. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 i just simply cannot drop 150+ per mag or i would agree plus i dont shoot magnums Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Ak-47 49 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 What is different between a Vepr and Saiga? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergii 142 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 What is different between a Vepr and Saiga? Saiga = AK Vepr = RPK (Kalashnikov machine gun) Differences Vepr: Better quality of manufacture. More weight (receiver of thicker metal) Small differences in internal construction. No gas regulator. Picatinny rails (in the U.S. will not) The top cover on a hinge. ps kit from the AK / Saiga on Vepr not installed. pps Vepr better than Saiga. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
veprk 12 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 What is different between a Vepr and Saiga? Saiga = AK Vepr = RPK (Kalashnikov machine gun) Differences Vepr: Better quality of manufacture. More weight (receiver of thicker metal) Small differences in internal construction. No gas regulator. Picatinny rails (in the U.S. will not) The top cover on a hinge. ps kit from the AK / Saiga on Vepr not installed. pps Vepr better than Saiga. AGREED! Does anyone know if the bolts are interchangeable? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Sign me up. I'm in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergii 142 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 AGREED! Does anyone know if the bolts are interchangeable? Saiga-12 vs Vepr-12? Bolt - yes. Bolt carrier - no. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I don't think sagas are terribly heavy but when you throw quad rails and such on them they become less fun to lug around. Being that the vepr has thicker walls, is it enough weight to notice? Any specs on weight difference? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sergii 142 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I don't think sagas are terribly heavy but when you throw quad rails and such on them they become less fun to lug around. Being that the vepr has thicker walls, is it enough weight to notice? Any specs on weight difference? Saiga-12 - 3.5-3.8 kg. depends on the configuration. Vepr-12 - 3.9 kg 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 I don't think sagas are terribly heavy but when you throw quad rails and such on them they become less fun to lug around. Being that the vepr has thicker walls, is it enough weight to notice? Any specs on weight difference? Saiga-12 - 3.5-3.8 kg. depends on the configuration. Vepr-12 - 3.9 kg you are the man Sergii!! Where you getting all this raw data? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ItsAllCreated 59 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 OMFG!!! Come to daddy baby ...come to daddy! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 OMFG!!! Come to daddy baby ...come to daddy! I know, I am so excited about this. It is one of two guns I would just buy and beg forgiveness for. (The other is the Beretta ARX 160). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lord Ak-47 49 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 I understand the RPK receivers are made for the heavier barrels, but what good is that for a Shotgun? When you say better manufacture can you explain more? Are you saying they have better quality control then the Saigas? I think if they are making them for a commercial market her in the US that level of care might diminish. With the different gas system, is there any issues with using the cheap loads people love to run in there Saiga 12s? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 This reminds me of the "I just ordered a saiga 12 030 in the USA!!!!" hope it happens quick for you guys than it is for us. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 That is a nice-looking gun, Sergii. Any estimate on the price point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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