MH12194 7 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 Was reading the news on Izhmash web page. Seems they are going to show (or have) a 9x19 export rifle patterned after the vityaz-sn. A 9x19 vitz in the US would sell out on the first day for sure. Hell, I'd buy one! A real vityaz! Fuck yeah! We can only hope they start production and importation. Here's the news, http://www.izhmash.ru/eng/news/111011.shtml 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 I will have 2 on the first day if they come in. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 and I will be jealous as fuck I cant afford one! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Sweet! Hopefully they bring that .22WMR revolver rifle over too! I want one of those. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 I like the 9X19, but I WANT a 9X39! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Heres the website with a picture of it and some more information on it. http://www.izhmash-arms.ru/eim/imp/296.html From what I've read it will have a 10 round magazine, folding stock, and a 9" barrel. In that configuration it is not able to be imported. If they make one in pistol form it will need no alteration to be imported. Or if they make a Saiga type 16" rifle. Either way I want one. The pistol configuration would be optimal. Plus some of those russian 30 rounders w/ magazine clamp would be sweet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 pipe dream Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 pipe dream Did you hear something about them? I was thinking of tring to contact legion or arsenal to see if they are importable. Or if they ever will be. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elvis christ 451 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Glock 33 round mag adapter would be the shit. Never gonna happen, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I would love for them to import this as a pistol. $200 and a stock and you'd be back in business. If they imported a big shipment of rear trunions and folder stocks that would be nice too. Most 9x19 semi auto versions of sub guns don't do much for me. I wonder what they could do that I would use a 9mm for that my cheapo Kel tec can't. These would be cool enough to get me to buy. Like a draco with cheaper ammo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 (edited) Do want!!!! Edited November 8, 2011 by AZG 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Definitely want one! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I whole heartedly support this. Will put all comparable 9MM carbines in the US market to shame. Unfortunately, it probably won't happen unless done through an importer/modifier such as Arsenal. I don't believe Russia can legally import these to the US in their complete stock configuration, much like Saigas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 I whole heartedly support this. Will put all comparable 9MM carbines in the US market to shame. Unfortunately, it probably won't happen unless done through an importer/modifier such as Arsenal. I don't believe Russia can legally import these to the US in their complete stock configuration, much like Saigas. If they could make them into pistols and import them that way like Zambidis said, that would be ideal. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Seriously tho. Even if they import it as a Saiga type rifle I'd buy one. Pistol would be the best and wouldn't be hard to do. If they import draco's without modification to US parts count. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be able to import these as pistols. Someone needs to talk to Legion or Arsenal or somebody about this. Everyone I've ever talked to has said they wanted one. And the amount of people who have converted ak's to take 9mm soumi magazines. There is a market out there for a 9mm ak. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 Seriously tho. Even if they import it as a Saiga type rifle I'd buy one. Pistol would be the best and wouldn't be hard to do. If they import draco's without modification to US parts count. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be able to import these as pistols. Someone needs to talk to Legion or Arsenal or somebody about this. Everyone I've ever talked to has said they wanted one. And the amount of people who have converted ak's to take 9mm soumi magazines. There is a market out there for a 9mm ak. I agree. Kinda makes you wonder how they arent already here. I forsure would own two. And Im sure a ridiculous amount of other people would too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 The Russians put AK factories in every goat shed in every shit hole in the world. WHY don't they put one HERE? With all the AK's floating around the 3rd world that market must blow. In the US we can't get those, so an American made AK series would make big $$$$$. Especially if they make them in all the calibers we want. I would bet the American market would be larger than most 3rd world military buys. With the added attraction of being a steady demand so the factory can run at a steady pace, instead of boom or bust. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 The Russians put AK factories in every goat shed in every shit hole in the world. WHY don't they put one HERE? With all the AK's floating around the 3rd world that market must blow. In the US we can't get those, so an American made AK series would make big $$$$$. Especially if they make them in all the calibers we want. I would bet the American market would be larger than most 3rd world military buys. With the added attraction of being a steady demand so the factory can run at a steady pace, instead of boom or bust. Oh, Don't you mean Arsenal? LOL. I think they pretty much make AK's now. Aside from making the receivers. And then after fit and finish you get an $800 AK-74 :-X Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 pistol won't happen. Russians don't sell us pistols. I hope some form of rifle. Heck they could cut up their export model, as the barrel ban only covers machine guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 pistol won't happen. Russians don't sell us pistols. I hope some form of rifle. Heck they could cut up their export model, as the barrel ban only covers machine guns. Hell I'd take a 16" barrel version with a fixed stock as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I made a concept version of the "9mm Vityaz" on a full sized receiver this summer for testing. Damn that thing was fun to shoot!!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) If we can't get pistols something like this would be the next best thing. Just get a stamp, chop the barrel, re-crown it, and attach a muzzle device. Come to think of it that might be better than the pistol as cutting the barrel is arguably easier/cheaper than adding a rear trunion. However the downside is I don't think it would be coming in with a folder so if one wants that (I know I would) there is still all the same work a pistol would be plus the barrel work. Gun restrictions that are just annoying hoops to jump through to get the same end result are so silly. Edited November 9, 2011 by Zambidis Quote Link to post Share on other sites
671saiga 27 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 those would be sweet but, i would think of it this way if we were too ever see those come to our shores, most likely would look like the current saigas being imported, with the sporter stock trigger housing all the way to the rear,single stack only, non traditional hg etc...just to get them here as per importation laws. i have my name on a list for the vepr-12s that will be hitting our shores, but will also be losing all those cool factors just like the picture above, damn these import laws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 I'd imagine it would have to be modded similar to the current rifles. As we are now seeing saiga rifles with the front half more as it should be, it would be nice if we could at least get that much. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alpoe78 13 Posted November 9, 2011 Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 i like i want please i need my fix heads in the clouds once more Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2011 (edited) If we can't get pistols something like this would be the next best thing. Just get a stamp, chop the barrel, re-crown it, and attach a muzzle device. Come to think of it that might be better than the pistol as cutting the barrel is arguably easier/cheaper than adding a rear trunion. However the downside is I don't think it would be coming in with a folder so if one wants that (I know I would) there is still all the same work a pistol would be plus the barrel work. Gun restrictions that are just annoying hoops to jump through to get the same end result are so silly. It's pretty dumb I agree. They just want more money out of us with those $200 stamps. How else is the ATF going to make their money? A configuration like the one pictured would be nice. those would be sweet but, i would think of it this way if we were too ever see those come to our shores, most likely would look like the current saigas being imported, with the sporter stock trigger housing all the way to the rear,single stack only, non traditional hg etc...just to get them here as per importation laws. i have my name on a list for the vepr-12s that will be hitting our shores, but will also be losing all those cool factors just like the picture above, damn these import laws. I wouldn't mind a Saiga type config at all. I had fun converting my x39. Building another would be just as fun and probably faster since I have one under my belt now. I'd imagine it would have to be modded similar to the current rifles. As we are now seeing saiga rifles with the front half more as it should be, it would be nice if we could at least get that much. Yeah, I wish they had come out with those when I bought my original Saiga x39. Would have made the conversion a lot easier. Seeing as the hard work has already been done. i like i want please i need my fix heads in the clouds once more You and me both. I think a lot of people would buy these. Edited November 9, 2011 by MH12194 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pony_express1973 183 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 I WANT ONE..... MAYBE TWO..... OK TWO BUT THATS IT ....... WELL MAYBE THREE... I WOULD LOVE FOR THESE TO COME TO THE USA 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 10, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2011 Ok, leme spread the word here. Shotshow 2012. K-Var. January. Waiting to see what that brings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ermac 8 Posted November 11, 2011 Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 Heres the website with a picture of it and some more information on it. http://www.izhmash-a...im/imp/296.html From what I've read it will have a 10 round magazine, folding stock, and a 9" barrel. In that configuration it is not able to be imported. If they make one in pistol form it will need no alteration to be imported. Or if they make a Saiga type 16" rifle. Either way I want one. The pistol configuration would be optimal. Plus some of those russian 30 rounders w/ magazine clamp would be sweet. I think Russian handguns are banned from importation. So the only way would be a Saiga type configuration. I hope its a thumbstole stock with the regular AK trigger configuration though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MH12194 7 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2011 I got wind from a K-Var rep that they are getting over 140 new SKU's for th 2012 shotshow. And this was on the topic of the Vityaz sporting carbine. My guess was he was hinting at they will be getting an example or two of them. I was told they didn't know exactly what they were getting. But over 140 skus mean they are getting a lot of stuff. Let's just hope one of those SKU's is a vityaz carbine. We wont know till January. So take it with a grain of salt. There may be some products we have all been waiting for other than the vityaz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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