kanur 7 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 You either love them or hate them and I'm a Bullpup fan With all the buzz on the net about the Kel-Tec KSG and the new bullpup kit for the Remmington 870 I found myself wanting a bullpup shottie but none are available yet. I had read about Saiga's being converted using the K-Var kit and I already had a converted 410 so that seemed the way to go. Here is what I ended up with and I'm pretty pleased with it. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 As long as you are pleased, that is what it is all about. That being said, I LIKEY!!!! But I shoot left handed and it would eject shells in the side of my head. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanur 7 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 It's not ambi, that's for sure Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaddyhatty 65 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Love the bull pup design. Nice Job. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatonic 159 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 That is really cool, and I'm not a bullpup fan. 20" barrel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tatonic 159 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Nevermind the 20" barrel part. Brainfart. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
305tillimove 10 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Only a face a mother could love...good job getting it done though! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDeacon 168 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Like! I'm going to be doing something similar with a 12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 (edited) Never considered it before, but now I am. It looks good, but I'm not thrilled about the sights you have on it. How's it run? Edited December 13, 2011 by Yeoldetool Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanur 7 Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Only a face a mother could love...good job getting it done though! Ha Ha That makes the gun and me a good match for each other. Yeoldetool The front site is what comes with the kit. The rear that comes with it is made for an AK and will not work on the Saiga shotgun. I adapted an HK rail to it and robbed the rear MBUS from my AR that I never shoot. I have a front MBUS on order and will ditch the front sight when it comes in. I'm also thinking of putting a red dot on it. Since the kit is made for an AK rifle and not a shotgun it had a few hiccups to start with but works very well now. With an AOL of just 30" it is my new truck gun giving my Kel-Tec Sub 2000 a rest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 No offense, but that is one ugly bull pup job. You should see if you could copy my bull pup quad rail system. The gun the the fore ground of this image is a S-410 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 I want one! Now I have to build one. I guess I'll just have to break down and buy another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaddyhatty 65 Posted January 1, 2012 Report Share Posted January 1, 2012 Wow, those do look nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Here is a better image of just the S-410 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 No offense, but that is one ugly bull pup job No offense, but your's doesn't look much better, if at all. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaddyhatty 65 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Here is a better image of just the S-410 Did you use a kvar kit too? Do SMG mags fit, or do you have to use the 4 rounder? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) No offense, but your's doesn't look much better, if at all. You're funny. When one of your designs gets picked up by the one of the largest AK wholesalers and taken to Shot Show I give you opinion weight, until then I'll just giggle quietly to myself. Did you use a kvar kit too? Do SMG mags fit, or do you have to use the 4 rounder? Yes, I used the kvar kit with a custom modified quad rail set up. It takes more work to make it fit the 410 but it does work. When it's done all mag sizes will work, even the 15 rounders. Edited January 2, 2012 by Boba Debt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanur 7 Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 No offense, but that is one ugly bull pup job. Ha Ha! That is exactly what I thought about yours before I built mine. You should see if you could copy my bull pup quad rail system. No offense, But I don't care for quad rails on any firearm. I would not use one of yours if you sent it to me for free, again no offense, I just find it fugly! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Boba Debt 350 Posted January 2, 2012 Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) In the words of my Favorite Sci Fi Hero, "Kunar, what the sphincter-of-hell's goin' on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?" You don’t care for quad rails but you're all about that "slapped together" look. Did you use dry wall screws to secure that rail to the forward trigger grip assembly? Is there duct tape, I know there has to be duct tape. But seriously, guns are serious business and tacking parts on normally isn't very conducive to safe operating practices. I am very disappointed that I was the first person to have the balls to tell you that you built a bubba gun. Edited January 2, 2012 by Boba Debt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanur 7 Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 (edited) In the words of my Favorite Sci Fi Hero, "Kunar, what the sphincter-of-hell's goin' on in the engine room? Were there monkeys? Some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose?" In the words of the southern belle fresh out of charm school "How Nice" You don’t care for quad rails but you're all about that "slapped together" look. This from someone who slapped a Wal-Mart butt pad on a 410 and then that spear of a rail waiting to take your eye out? Ouch that hurts. Did someone say airsoft parts? Did you use dry wall screws to secure that rail to the forward trigger grip assembly? No, Those little plastic push pins that hold your cars door panels on. Is there duct tape, I know there has to be duct tape. No again, I was all out so I had to use that putty stuff that holds posters on walls. I'm surprised you don't know about it. But seriously, guns are serious business and tacking parts on normally isn't very conducive to safe operating practices. Let's go back to the eye poker! I am very disappointed that I was the first person to have the balls to tell you that you built a bubba gun. Well.... there's one in every crowd and I've saw enough of your posts on this and other forums to know that you are " the one". Thanks for all the constructive advise, you've been most helpful. Edited January 3, 2012 by kanur Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigdaddyhatty 65 Posted January 3, 2012 Report Share Posted January 3, 2012 You guys should just fight! Come on fellas, If you can't say something nice........ I'm not thin skinned, but if someone told me my gun looked like crap and I should redo it like their's, It might get me a little hot. And if you can throw around insults, you should be able to take 'em too, and not get all hurt when someone says your gun is not the prettiest either. Bottom line- to each their own, build your gun how YOU want it. I'd take either of them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vermiform 26 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 While I have always liked Boba Debt's bullpups and modified quad rails, I also like this more simplistic design of Kanur's. It reminds me of this: Also, Boba, quit being a dick. Not everyone has your skills or experience when it comes to bullpups. That's not sarcasm either, I really respect your work, but don't pound on the newbie cause he took a different, more simplistic approach. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zambidis 90 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 You're funny. When one of your designs gets picked up by the one of the largest AK wholesalers and taken to Shot Show I give you (SIC) opinion weight, until then I'll just giggle quietly to myself. And I'll just giggle to myself about how uncouth you are. I'll giggle harder about what kind of person it takes to come onto someone's thread and state that the person's gun is ugly as if it were some undeniable fact. You might consider for a moment that what is aesthetically pleasing is largely subjective. To illustrate you think that your bullpup looks good. I strongly disagree. I also find it ironic that you would lob the charge that someone else's gun looks cobbled together. I find it pathetic that you felt the need to express that opinion in such a rude way. I am very disappointed that I was the first person to have the balls to tell you that you built a bubba gun. You might reflect on why it is that you were not just the first, but the only person to make comments along the lines that you did. Frankly I would posit that it has nothing to do with "balls". Best of luck to you and your unnamed major AK partner. By the way, just as a single swallow doesn't make a summer, an appearance at a trade show hardly makes something a "success." 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 I think they are ALL ugly as sin. That said, I really enjoy looking at them, the craftmanship is superb. A kitchen table build is as remarkable as a full machine shop build. Some times a LOT more remarkable! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted January 4, 2012 Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 You either love them or hate them and I'm a Bullpup fan With all the buzz on the net about the Kel-Tec KSG and the new bullpup kit for the Remmington 870 I found myself wanting a bullpup shottie but none are available yet. I had read about Saiga's being converted using the K-Var kit and I already had a converted 410 so that seemed the way to go. Here is what I ended up with and I'm pretty pleased with it. Let's get this thread back on track. It started out as good thread about a dream, ingenuity, and realization of the dream. I for one applaud you for building a nice looking custom bull pup. I know it was a fair piece of work and time. I'm glad to see you had the balls to make the build considering how many out there will never even try. Like you said in the original post, you either like em' or hate em'. No bull pup is really pretty in the has a nice ass sense of the thought, but they are beautiful in their own right. They are like no other, and I find beauty in that myself. I like em'. Someday I'll make one out of something, and I have been leaning toward a Saiga 410 like yours just because it seems more bad ass than doing one to my other platforms. Good job! Keep up the good work, and have fun doing it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanur 7 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2012 A kitchen table build is as remarkable as a full machine shop build. Now that is funny because my wife just got one of those expensive Mission/Amish style table sets where the chairs weigh about 50# each and has informed me there will be no more cleaning or working on guns at the table. My MBUS front sight arrived and it is on and the barrel mounted sight is gone. I had planned on a red dot but I like the clean looks and simplicity of the front and rear MBUS so much I may just leave it like that. Another member posted this pic of a barrel shroud they are making so I'm thinking something like it and a muzzle brake would be a nice finishing touch. If I get that done I'll post a new picture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jman245 0 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 what does it cost to convert to bullpup?i like both versions! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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