gregomega 929 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I agree also you don't see many well done conversions even from well known builders? I found this on GB http://www.gunbroker...?Item=267541233and is almost 3 times higher and still has left over holes, manly bolt on parts including the reciever block. Don't most highend builders weld on a reciever plate?.... but it's got plenty of polishing and (honing)? Just not a thousand dollars worth. Thats an LSA build. Mike does surpurb work. He fine tunes the crap out of all his builds which is why I think they are so pricy. I could never afford one or his work though. And dont forget to tally the cost of all the parts on there and work. That handguard doesnt look badass for no reason. And the linkage holes might be rivited, which is what i would have done if welding wasnt an option. And im sure he'd weld a receiver plate if you asked. they just dont come standard on S12s Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bridis 319 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I wonder if anyone buys those LAS S-12 or if he just places auctions for outrageously priced guns for the cheap advertising. Because there is NO WAY any of those S-12s are worth the asking price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 I wonder if anyone buys those LAS S-12 or if he just places auctions for outrageously priced guns for the cheap advertising. Because there is NO WAY any of those S-12s are worth the asking price. Post Apocalyptic has one and its beautiful. I admire his work but cant afford his prices. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
adjc 171 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 on that lsa build on GB, isn't that a stock S12 handguard that has been drilled out....or are my eyes seeing things here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 on that lsa build on GB, isn't that a stock S12 handguard that has been drilled out....or are my eyes seeing things here? yes Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ItsAllCreated 59 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 ...please excuse me while I chance my pants Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I wonder if anyone buys those LAS S-12 or if he just places auctions for outrageously priced guns for the cheap advertising. Because there is NO WAY any of those S-12s are worth the asking price. Thank you. I'm glad someone see's what I see Badass handguard? stock furniture with rail and holes? Bolt on parts, way over priced! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Badass handguard? I thought so, apparently you don't Quote Link to post Share on other sites
randyf 35 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 I wonder if anyone buys those LAS S-12 or if he just places auctions for outrageously priced guns for the cheap advertising. Because there is NO WAY any of those S-12s are worth the asking price. Thank you. I'm glad someone see's what I see Badass handguard? stock furniture with rail and holes? Bolt on parts, way over priced! I agree. Its down right shocking if not insulting 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yooper14.5 84 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 About the issue with the unconverted model vs. the converted model, while I would get unconverted and convert it myself, I see why legion offers a converted model. Not everyone is confident with modifying their guns or wants to take the time to do so. I agree, but they should be confident with knowing their guns IMO as it helps to get the most out of the gun overall, and thats a good thing. But I understand your point and its a valid one. The converted model gives them a option. although I don't like the tapco stock, I'm not going to bash them for it because they font have to go to the expense of offering a converted model at all. not sure if you were implying that I was bashing tapco or legion or both but that is not the case. Again, just stating my preferences. And I don't see the big deal about the hole plugs, its a preference thing. too many bumps on my Saiga makes it look like it has acne. and thats the wrong kind of sick look im going for. do you really expect the importer to go to the length of welding, grinding, and refinishing? No, we were mearly just discussing what we like, or speculating if you like. I wasn't trying to imply anything, it just sounded to me like people were almost upset by the tapco stock, if I read it wrong I apologize. I agree the plugs don't look great, but again I was thinking people were upset by them. I just think legion has done somthing huge for this community, and if they took the cheap way to convert, it shouldn't be held against them. Theres people who will buy those converted models and be happy that they bought a badass shotgun that they wouldn't have bought otherwise because they dont want to convert, they want to buy it and never mess with it again. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 As far as the LSA builds go, what the buyer is really paying for isn't the furniture. They are buying reliability... a weapon that will fire nearly any ammo out there. Mike inspired me in my early days with the "make it run off of whatever" mentality. You could even say he was what inspired me to do the reliability videos as well. Not sure how much time he has in his reliability mods, but it takes me 20+ hours to go convert and rework a S12 from front to back. Add another 10+ hours if there is an AK100 folder and chop/rethread. I can see why his builds seem pricey, but it isn't like he does what he does in just a couple of hours, However, I'm more of a purist and don't really care for some of the furniture on those builds, but a lot of people like that stuff, so I see why he sets them up like that. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachtron 49 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 My question is, can the 030 and 040 models cycle federal bulk and other birdshot? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 My question is, can the 030 and 040 models cycle federal bulk and other birdshot? Yes they will. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 My question is, can the 030 and 040 models cycle federal bulk and other birdshot? Yes they will. I think I remember Sergi saying that you need at least 32 dram loads. I'm not up on my dram to ounces conversions but I'm guessing the Federal Valuepacks are less than that (again, just a guess). I can just see all the, "OMG my 030/040 is a POS because it won't cycle like my 109!" threads. Not having an adjustable gas system won't help this matter either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 My question is, can the 030 and 040 models cycle federal bulk and other birdshot? Yes they will.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ruQfS_5LI&feature=youtube_gdata_player I think I remember Sergi saying that you need at least 32 dram loads. I'm not up on my dram to ounces conversions but I'm guessing the Federal Valuepacks are less than that (again, just a guess). I can just see all the, "OMG my 030/040 is a POS because it won't cycle like my 109!" threads. Not having an adjustable gas system won't help this matter either. I agree, but if there's anyone that can figure them out, it's us! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I think I remember Sergi saying that you need at least 32 dram loads. I'm not up on my dram to ounces conversions but I'm guessing the Federal Valuepacks are less than that (again, just a guess). I can just see all the, "OMG my 030/040 is a POS because it won't cycle like my 109!" threads. Not having an adjustable gas system won't help this matter either. Cool man, thank you for clarifying. That makes sence. And yeah, I'm sure they'll be plenty of those threads. For the 030 anyway. I think the 40 models have the regulator still. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Can an individual order directly from Legion USA's website? It kind of looks like it.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Atlantic Firearms.com 170 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeluvsk 58 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 just bought a 030 from Atlantic, I can wait to finally have this in my hands. What a dream come true! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 @ Atlantic; Whats the word on magazines to feed these new versions of S12? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 can that magwell be removed to use standard mags? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 can that magwell be removed to use standard mags? No. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Wtf is this? Side rail? On the 030 "style" s12? Thought those were banned? Edited January 16, 2012 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeluvsk 58 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Something I just noticed on the Atlantic 433A after I bought it of course! LOL... theres no Birdcage only a thread protector. Legions website shows differently, might be why they are advertised at a lower price. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I want one that has not yet been converted. I want to choose the trigger guard and remove the rear trunnion in favor of a AK100 side folder. Who is currently selling the ver. 030 without the US conversion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jeluvsk 58 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 You can buy them directly on Legion's website Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roachtron 49 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think I remember Sergi saying that you need at least 32 dram loads. I'm not up on my dram to ounces conversions but I'm guessing the Federal Valuepacks are less than that (again, just a guess). I can just see all the, "OMG my 030/040 is a POS because it won't cycle like my 109!" threads. Not having an adjustable gas system won't help this matter either. Cool man, thank you for clarifying. That makes sence. And yeah, I'm sure they'll be plenty of those threads. For the 030 anyway. I think the 40 models have the regulator still. 32 drams is 2 ounces. So no bulk birdshot right out of the box if thats true. Hopefully theres some mods that can be done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think I remember Sergi saying that you need at least 32 dram loads. I'm not up on my dram to ounces conversions but I'm guessing the Federal Valuepacks are less than that (again, just a guess). I can just see all the, "OMG my 030/040 is a POS because it won't cycle like my 109!" threads. Not having an adjustable gas system won't help this matter either. Cool man, thank you for clarifying. That makes sence. And yeah, I'm sure they'll be plenty of those threads. For the 030 anyway. I think the 40 models have the regulator still. 32 drams is 2 ounces. So no bulk birdshot right out of the box if thats true. Hopefully theres some mods that can be done. Sorry, my bad. I found the other thread. He said 28 dram (not 32). So what's that, 1 3/4 ounces? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Yup, 1.75 oz. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 There is no regulator but there is still a puck proabaly like the vepr. How do you adjust for different types of shells? Vepr-12 works from the box with 32 -44 g shell, and with some adjustments eats 28 g shell without problem;) 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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