A3379 2 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Ok, I have a Dpms ar15 and a saiga 7.62 I picked up a 4x scope and a red dot sight last weekend and I am trying to decide on withch weapon I should put the scope and where should the red dot go. The Dpms came NIB without iron sights, but will get some for it later. What do you guys think? Note: the weapons are mostly used at the range up to 100 yards max for now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thoricuncle 19 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 At 100 yards, both are fine. I would try them on both of them. I think half the fun of these guns is trying on different accessories to find what you like. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Strawdawg 1 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I believe you will notice the largest difference if you put the scope on the 15. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I think half the fun of these guns is trying on different accessories to find what you like. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
universal_exports 18 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I really prefer a 4x scope, either way you are having to look through something, might as well have 4x magnification, with that small of amout you dont loose enough field of view to have any issues aquiring your target. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akwatercraft 0 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 i have a primary arms 1x4.5 with a red dot on the cross hairs,,,,,, does this mean i get to have my cake and eat it too? i think iwas like 150$ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have had fun trying both, but in the end, I feel the AR is better served with the scope and the AK with a red dot. The AR has a little better accuracy and you can take better advantage of that with a scope. The AK having slightly larger grouping seems to lend to the red dot. If you have a dot that is close to 4 or 6moa, then a Saiga can put the shots on the dot at 100yds. For me, my AR can shoot better than my average, but I max out the Saigas capabilities to where only better ammo will decrease my group size. If that makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ronin38 2,117 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I have an M1A Scout model, with a 1-4x pistol scope on it. (forward mount) Works great! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Eagle 839 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Scope on the AR, dot on the Saiga. I have both in QD rings for mine, but the scope will be more for hunting than shooting/plinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I have had fun trying both, but in the end, I feel the AR is better served with the scope and the AK with a red dot. The AR has a little better accuracy and you can take better advantage of that with a scope. The AK having slightly larger grouping seems to lend to the red dot. If you have a dot that is close to 4 or 6moa, then a Saiga can put the shots on the dot at 100yds. For me, my AR can shoot better than my average, but I max out the Saigas capabilities to where only better ammo will decrease my group size. If that makes sense. My opinion is 6 moa for a rifle is far too large. If I can shoot 2-3invh groups with my saiga at 100yrds why would I have a red dot that covers 6 inches?? 6moa makes a great shotgun or handgun optic. For a rifle...for me... 3moa is the largest ill ever go. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I have had fun trying both, but in the end, I feel the AR is better served with the scope and the AK with a red dot. The AR has a little better accuracy and you can take better advantage of that with a scope. The AK having slightly larger grouping seems to lend to the red dot. If you have a dot that is close to 4 or 6moa, then a Saiga can put the shots on the dot at 100yds. For me, my AR can shoot better than my average, but I max out the Saigas capabilities to where only better ammo will decrease my group size. If that makes sense. My opinion is 6 moa for a rifle is far too large. If I can shoot 2-3invh groups with my saiga at 100yrds why would I have a red dot that covers 6 inches?? 6moa makes a great shotgun or handgun optic. For a rifle...for me... 3moa is the largest ill ever go. I agree, 6 moa is huge. I had one on my S-12 and it was fine for that, but when I got a newer one the 6moa ended up on the x39 for a while. It was purely a CQC set-up at that point, and being reduced to just plinking distances. You are correct, and I took it off afer a while of not being satisfied at 100yds. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fflincher 8 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I see the 7.62 X 39 as a 200 yard point blank self defense/hunting round. While the Saiga platform may be more accurate and the pointed bullets more aerodynamic than a .30-30, I don't believe the gun/cartridge combination would be practical for more distant use. Sure, it it's all I had, I'd want to scope it. Mine wears a red dot, with back-up peeps. I have a CZ 527 in that caliber which is wonderfully accurate. With a fixed 6 X scope, it'll give prarrie dog groups at 100 yards. It's really fun to shoot, but that setup calls for larger targets after about 150 yards in order to make a humane shot. Basically, it's a great centerfire plinker. Instead, I have a nice converted Saiga 5.45 X 39 that has a point blank range out to 300 yards, and a scope can make a big difference over that range. Again, I believe it's the cartridge that allows that extra 100 yards, and it's nice to have an accurate Saiga platform so that the accuracy it provides can be used with target magnification out to that distance. I'm just talking about matching sighting tools with the capabilities of the cartridge in that platform and and intended use. As has been suggested, try it with a scope first. You may want to use the accuracy it offers rather than the quickness for which it was designed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sharkeater 0 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) Right now i'm using a reddot on a BPO2. On a 100 yard range alone I can get kill shot accuracy out of every shot on that range, 25 50 and 100 targets, if alone across the range itself (multiple lanes of fire) and rapidly. I also have a POSP which is fun, at greater distances. However, for me and my vision of where the rifle fits in my collection, Fast, accurate, target aquisition and elimination, is the name of the game. Honestly, it could be close but it's not a scoped .308 to me. I'd select that tool for a longer ranged task. But remind ya, that's just my vision and current use for the rifle. It's a good rifle in many different capacitys, which is part of it's strength. I could yank off that BPO2 and slap on the scope in 10 seconds and with a mag change be looking to 200+ yards. Knowing it's characteristics beyond 100 yards is great, and i'm glad I have spent time with both. The rifle could do that job. It's just soooo nice inside of 100 and set up for such. Just my .02 and where i see this thing shine. Edited February 19, 2012 by sharkeater Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cracker7 2 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I have a red dot on my 7.62 and a 2-7x32 scope on my 5.45. The 7.62 is pretty accurate out to 100 yards with that set up. Plus it's tons of fun. The 5.45 is very accurate at 200 yards. Is it the scope or the cartridge? If i swicthed them would it make a big difference? I'm not sure, but that's what works for me. Cracker7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I have a red dot on my 7.62 and a 2-7x32 scope on my 5.45. The 7.62 is pretty accurate out to 100 yards with that set up. Plus it's tons of fun. The 5.45 is very accurate at 200 yards. Is it the scope or the cartridge? If i swicthed them would it make a big difference? I'm not sure, but that's what works for me. Cracker7 Swap em for a trip and post your results!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cracker7 2 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 This weekend I'll do that and report back. Cracker7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cracker7 2 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 Report from the range.... The 7.62 is more accurate with the scope for sure. Not as accurate as the 5.45 though with the scope. The 5.45 is just as accurate as the 7.62 with the red dot but alot easier to get back on target due to less recoil. So I'm going to keep the red dot on the 7.62 and the scope on the 5.45. That just seems like the best set ups for me. Both are alot of fun to shoot. And just for the record, the 7.62 is just a beast. I love that thing. Not to say i don't love the 5.45, but the 7.62 just makes you feel like a bad ass when you fire it. LOL Cracker7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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