Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) Unleashing short range hell from a cheap game load. "How to" on making them. Will they feed? Dunno my last stand weapon is a double barrel and the question is moot. Range seems to be out to 20yds. Seems to be similar results to cut shells, looks to be an improvement over them though. Edited February 17, 2012 by Rhodes1968 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Looks very interesting, would be nice to see testing on a hog carcass or something similar. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 (edited) 12ga fragmenting round, I have done it to "00" and man it is something. Dont know how it would hold up in the heat of a dessert or a hot barrel. Edited February 16, 2012 by RED333 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Dammit, Red! All I can see when you post are those marvelous titties! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 If ya watch long enough the top does start to fall off, it does take hours. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 12ga fragmenting round, I have done it to "00" and man it is something. Dont know how it would hold up in the heat of a dessert or a hot barrel. Yeah I did a quick search and found some waxes have a fair heat tolerance. Just depends on how far you want to go with it. Keeping all that shot together to hit in the same area is just brutal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King Cash 104 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 Wax slug Vs a wild goat http://youtu.be/nw9xjcFG7rg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Dammit, Red! All I can see when you post are those marvelous titties! my thoughts exactly i had to reread his post several times Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 It'd be worth the experiment to shoot a 30gal plastic drum full of water and a block of ballistic gelatin to see how this thing works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 At 100yds and five and one gal water jugs among others. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhqosJmUS-0&feature=related Seems 100yds is very doable. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Im curious, think these could be used on bowling pins without worrying about the shot coming back at you or doing excessive damage to the pin? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 On the last vid I posted it is mentioned that this basically just like placing the barrel against the target and pulling the trigger sans the powder burns and over pressure. Personally I would the think the pin would be a pile of toothpicks depending on the load. Wont address any safety issue. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 THe rubber wrapped hardwood of bowling pins sends everything from buckshot down rebounding everywhere. Literally it just bounces off. Slugs however punch huge holes through and destroy pins. I would love to find this offers something between those extreems. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
psl sniper 963 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 THe rubber wrapped hardwood of bowling pins sends everything from buckshot down rebounding everywhere. Literally it just bounces off. Slugs however punch huge holes through and destroy pins. I would love to find this offers something between those extreems. judging from what ive seen them do to plate steel, id imagine they would punch a hole at least partially through. purely speculation of course, as i dont have any experience shooting bowling pins Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Shoot a pin from behind heavy cover. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King Cash 104 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I'm still debating on wax slugs or Lee slugs that are molded from birdshot & placed back into the hull ("Mexican Match") for plinking n maybe hunting...Pleeeeeeze help my indecisive @$$ out with either pros n cons, tales of experience etc This is what I'm referring to: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deadeye 325 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I'm still debating on wax slugs or Lee slugs that are molded from birdshot & placed back into the hull ("Mexican Match") for plinking n maybe hunting...Pleeeeeeze help my indecisive @$$ out with either pros n cons, tales of experience etc This is what I'm referring to: just do both Quote Link to post Share on other sites
King Cash 104 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I just might... To kinda stay on topic of physics, here's a link w/ photo's comparing wax and Lee 1 oz. slugs http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?t=210177 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Long Shot 1,287 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Anyone heard of gun damage from homemade wax slugs? I didn't really find anything with a google search. My cousin was screwing around with this when we were just kids and blew his 410/.22 mag over under wide open with a homemade wax slug. It was around thirty years ago and I don't know what kind of load he started with but I'll never forget the look on his face when that gun came apart in his hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 The mass increase would be negligible, so pressure shouldn't be a problem. I don't think I'd fire them through a turkey choke though. It'd probably break up the wax at best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 My father used to keep what he called goose rounds for HD. They were pre WW2 paper hulls factory loaded with #6 bird shot with twine and wax. According to him they would reach out and knock down the ones who otherwise would be out of range. He said that at close range they were a lot nastier than a slug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 The logic behind the wax slugs is not so much penetration as it is transfer all the energy possible to the target within the first few inches. Whatever gets hit wont be getting back up very easily even with trauma plates. The load will frag like crazy and the wound is going to be multiple channel and nasty. They may well be perfect for a coach gun or a single shot. Yes some folks still have those. Its not the holy grail but it is good idea for those situations where that trait is desired. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
preparehandbook 326 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) I've been thinking of trying this with silicone caulking. No chance of melting. EDIT* I thought the wax shells wouldn't cycle well until I watched the above videos. Edited February 20, 2012 by preparehandbook Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Hmmm good idea really Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I wonder how sealing wax (the hard red stuff) would work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I think you would have to strike a compromise between hardness and how brittle (fragile) the wax. Thats what seems so interesting about the idea of using silicone. Got to try that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Beeswax or paraffin would be good. They both melt around 145F. Old candles would be close to this temp. Carnauba melts around 176F. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 I would stay away for anything to "hard", cause an overpressure with any kind of choke. The silicone sounds like a good idear, ya gona try? Let us know how it works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted February 25, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 YEah I will try it if I can get to the range again, this weather is a pain. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drhobo 4 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Made 10 of these with with candle wax yesterday and took them to the range today. Had a lot of feeding problems, only 3 of the 10 fed properly. Had to manually insert the shell into the chamber. I suspect the marginally shorter shell length was messing up the feed angle. They otherwise cycled fine on 2. I switched to 1 for the last pair of them and it wasn't enough pressure to even eject. Shot at paper at 50 yards, so I did not get any real measure of how damaging they would have been on a solid object. Accuracy was not nearly as bad as expected. All but one were within a one foot radius from bullseye. Hitting a man size target wouldn't be an issue at that range. Everything stayed together nicely, though all but two were distinct keyholes, the slug was definitely tumbling. No sign of wax in the barrel afterwards. Edited February 26, 2012 by drhobo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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