ramlake 98 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 (edited) Saiga-12K" version 030-1 initial mokup Testing in the near future 430mm barrel custom 10 slot win choke adapter custom gas block w/ rail saiga 12 SVDS w/recoil pad molot PG on the way from Russ Mil PK-A Red Dot in transit Looks great along with a Spetnaz 3 w 430mm barrel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpHDwXN1hnk Edited February 19, 2012 by RamLake 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Excited to see the final product. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 18, 2012 Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 Show off. ;-) Did you get a chance to shoot it with the short barrel? Any closeups of the custom gas block rail? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Nice... Now all you need is the Izzy pistol grip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Show off. ;-) Did you get a chance to shoot it with the short barrel? Any closeups of the custom gas block rail? It's the stock GB with the picatiny tig'ed back on, it turned out perfectly if I may say so myself, of coarse the first one costs me about 300.00 in time spent!! Sure beats 130.00 + shipping from Kvar Thanks Sunnybean Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted February 19, 2012 Report Share Posted February 19, 2012 Very nice.. where can you buy that SVDS stock? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) I just need a gun or two ;-) Edited February 20, 2012 by sunnybean 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 heck no...you need to sell me that recoil pad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 Very nice.. where can you buy that SVDS stock? Probably from Saigatech, it's his photo... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 YUP! I'm just waiting for my Saiga to come in from Legion and then it's on like Donkey Kong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted February 20, 2012 Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 god ray you always have to make me green with envy!!! If I could just use you for a weekend!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2012 god ray you always have to make me green with envy!!! If I could just use you for a weekend!!! Thank you very much beefcake0!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) I got mine in today and it wasn't even in my hands for an hour before I tore it apart. I already replaced the gas block with one I picked up from KVAR too! . Whoo Hoo! Edited February 23, 2012 by lelandEOD 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ray, I'd like to get your thoughts on this issue too... I've been doing a bit of research on authentic S-12K's and found a couple interesting differences. First, the trigger guard is very uniusual and not at all like any of the TG's I've seen on the market. Notice the unusual rivet plate and large forward radius. Not sure exactly how I'm going to replicate that, just yet. Also, you can see here, this S-12K does not have a side mount scope rail. I'm wondering if I should remove the scope mount and fill in the holes. Plus, the flash hider appears to be chrome lined: And there is a bad ass aresenal stamp on the trunnion immediately before the SN. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HansenACR 5 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 That's looking great, I can't wait to see it all finished up! BTW I like the setup in the backround M2 w/tripod and T&E. EOD guys are alright in my book. We just got in the new M2's with the preset headspace and they are nice! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ray, I'd like to get your thoughts on this issue too... I've been doing a bit of research on authentic S-12K's and found a couple interesting differences. First, the trigger guard is very unusual and not at all like any of the TG's I've seen on the market. Notice the unusual rivet plate and large forward radius. Not sure exactly how I'm going to replicate that, just yet. This is simply NOT true. There are plenty of pictures that show the trigger guard you desire to be incorrect. The correct one is the one with small triangle side supports, like what Cobra sells. But it is your S12, do as you like. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red_cedar 28 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Ray, I'd like to get your thoughts on this issue too... I've been doing a bit of research on authentic S-12K's and found a couple interesting differences. First, the trigger guard is very unusual and not at all like any of the TG's I've seen on the market. Notice the unusual rivet plate and large forward radius. Not sure exactly how I'm going to replicate that, just yet. This is simply NOT true. There are plenty of pictures that show the trigger guard you desire to be incorrect. The correct one is the one with small triangle side supports, like what Cobra sells. But it is your S12, do as you like. That one looks like a older version. After a little thought, the factory may have changed the trigger guard to provide more room for for your finger with the BHO button on the newer ones. The older version button may have been mostly for the 'Last round bolt hold open'. As you see the older version still has the button/lever BHO behind the trigger. S-12K does not have a side mount scope rail. Ive been wondering the same thing. Aside from the look, one already has the iron sights as well as the receiver cover rail. may even leave part of the importer mark ' Legion' Edited February 23, 2012 by red_cedar Quote Link to post Share on other sites
havok 21 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 You can hack up a $50 saigatech trigger gaurd and you would have to make and weld the rivet plate it has the same large forward radius you are looking for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, I already have the AK-Builder trigger guard which I thought was the correct style prior to finding those photos. I pulled the screenshots of the strange TG from the Izhmash promotional video on the exp. ver. 030. I don't know if the confusion stems from my inadvertent mixing up of different models or if, as redcedar suggests, they are the result of prototyping and/or production changes. Either way, I'm not sure if it's fair to characterize my conclusions as outright false, but I'm happy to see my AK-Builder TG is correct as far as some photos show. ...I wish I spoke Russian. This would be a lot easier. Either way, I didn't mean to hijack Ray's thread. Just figured we were operating on parallell paths. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
havok 21 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 The 030's are curved in the pics on izhmash site.No triangle. The 109 108 style k's and S's are squared off with the triangle reinforcement http://www.izhmash-a...im/imp/222.html Saiga12k v030-1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ray, I'd like to get your thoughts on this issue too... I've been doing a bit of research on authentic S-12K's and found a couple interesting differences. First, the trigger guard is very uniusual and not at all like any of the TG's I've seen on the market. Notice the unusual rivet plate and large forward radius. Not sure exactly how I'm going to replicate that, just yet. Also, you can see here, this S-12K does not have a side mount scope rail. I'm wondering if I should remove the scope mount and fill in the holes. Plus, the flash hider appears to be chrome lined: And there is a bad ass aresenal stamp on the trunnion immediately before the SN. I believe since there are so many subtle diiferences that if you find a russian model you like build it that way. The TG is an example of that. I found an example of the proper TG for the s12 K models thru sKoTT's k build from years ago, which is still used today on many of legions models. I may also remove the side scope base. I'm going to keep the side base until I find the I had to modify original AK TG's ,now AK builder offers a great replica Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Well, I already have the AK-Builder trigger guard which I thought was the correct style prior to finding those photos. I pulled the screenshots of the strange TG from the Izhmash promotional video on the exp. ver. 030. I don't know if the confusion stems from my inadvertent mixing up of different models or if, as redcedar suggests, they are the result of prototyping and/or production changes. Either way, I'm not sure if it's fair to characterize my conclusions as outright false, but I'm happy to see my AK-Builder TG is correct as far as some photos show. ...I wish I spoke Russian. This would be a lot easier. Either way, I didn't mean to hijack Ray's thread. Just figured we were operating on parallell paths. No problem I believe this thread is going to produce some good info!! Edited February 23, 2012 by RamLake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I think I have the Magwell AGP design worked out 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ram, What exact modifications did you need to make to the AGPs to get them to work? OEM magwell mags are pretty scarce at this time, although I've read Legion has plans to import the 8 rounders. My Molot 8 rd mag and the 2 4rd Izzy mags are all I have and I'd like some more capacity. Also, any plans to Krink one of these 030s? I know you built a very impressive "Krink" S12 from one of the 109s, but using the 030 platform would really take the cake with a folder stock, 8" barrel, and krink handguards. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Ram, What exact modifications did you need to make to the AGPs to get them to work? OEM magwell mags are pretty scarce at this time, although I've read Legion has plans to import the 8 rounders. My Molot 8 rd mag and the 2 4rd Izzy mags are all I have and I'd like some more capacity. Also, any plans to Krink one of these 030s? I know you built a very impressive "Krink" S12 from one of the 109s, but using the 030 platform would really take the cake with a folder stock, 8" barrel, and krink handguards. building a 10" 030 would require the RSB to be removed otherwise there would no room for the upper hand guard This means a redesigned top cover and hinge assembly It will be interesting to see what people come up with? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Looking at mine here, why couldn't the gas block simply be moved back, shorten the op rod and the gas tube, and use krinkov handguards? It doesn't seem like any changes would be need to be made to the RSB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Looking at mine here, why couldn't the gas block simply be moved back, shorten the op rod and the gas tube, and use krinkov handguards? It doesn't seem like any changes would be need to be made to the RSB. At 10" the gas system needs to be moved back 3 1/4 - 3 1/5" this would allow for 7/8" handguards, pretty short even by my standards Edited February 23, 2012 by RamLake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorch95 1 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Out of curiosity, the S12K's 430mm barrel length measurement is that including the flash hider or without it? EDIT: Just watched the vid on shortening the barrel and it is to the tip of the barrel without the flash hider. Edited February 23, 2012 by Scorch95 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beefcakeb99 572 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 still drooling guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 (edited) Testing tonight Sorry tried to remove second pic Edited February 23, 2012 by RamLake 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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