ramlake 98 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 What trigger, hammer, and disconnector are you using? If these are US parts then with the US mags you are fine as is with the parts you listed above. Since you are using a folding stock, assuming 5.5mm russian stock set, you may have to wait to use russian mags until someone releases a new puck that is US made or if your handguard is foreign (unsure) then maybe find a US made set and replace and you should be good to go with any magazine. I made my own tappet, I completly forgot about the FCG (Thanks) yes russian 5.5 SVDS, no us manufactured AK style replacement HG yet, So what is the parts count on an IZ-433 / 030 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorch95 1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) For some reason I'm drawing a blank when you say tappet? I Know I should know what you're talking about but for the life of me I can't......I hate blond moments. Hopefully I don't make an @s$ out of myself but I would assume (uh-oh) that the parts count is the same between the 433 and 109's as they should be the same with exception to the way the gas is regulated. Sorry on the stock part, I was thinking of the people above who were using poly folders. I knew you were using the SVD stock (read envious). On the AK handguards, are they the same as what fits an AK or are they different so they fit the s12 barrel and what not? If they're the same doesn't KVAR make US sets? http://www.k-var.com/shop/product.php?productid=17030&cat=366&page=1 Edited February 28, 2012 by Scorch95 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 433-030 parts after conversion: buttstock pistol grip receiver trigger/hammer/disconnector trunion bolt carrier/bolt/op rod piston barrel foregrip muzzle attachment mag body mag follower mag floorplate Total: by my count that's 17 parts. I think it is 1 more than an AK rifle because of the separate piston and "op rod". I hope the US folks step up and make some parts like a US piston and foregrip for this gun or else it will be hard to use a factory magazine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorch95 1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) 433-030 parts after conversion: buttstock pistol grip receiver trigger/hammer/disconnector trunion bolt carrier/bolt/op rod piston barrel foregrip muzzle attachment mag body mag follower mag floorplate Total: by my count that's 17 parts. I think it is 1 more than an AK rifle because of the separate piston and "op rod". I hope the US folks step up and make some parts like a US piston and foregrip for this gun or else it will be hard to use a factory magazine. EDIT: Assuming current part counts are correct with the iz-433, you have 17 potential parts to take into consideration. The muzzle attachment is the iffy portion on whether or not ATF see's a thread protector as an attachment per say but he's stated he's using a US made attachment. If the 433's op rod is the same as a regular S12 then you could potentially just install a tom cole rod. It's hard right now being the model is new to being imported here. At this point he would have the following imported parts: Receiver barrel mounting block bolt bolt carrier gas piston buttstock magazine body follower floor plate 10 foreign parts and perfectly legal with any magazine. But that would be replacing hand guard and op-rod on top of trigger, hammer, disconnector, & using a US pistol grip which he said he does for the moment. Edited February 28, 2012 by Scorch95 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 For some reason I'm drawing a blank when you say tappet? I Know I should know what you're talking about but for the life of me I can't......I hate blond moments. Hopefully I don't make an @s$ out of myself but I would assume (uh-oh) that the parts count is the same between the 433 and 109's as they should be the same with exception to the way the gas is regulated. Sorry on the stock part, I was thinking of the people above who were using poly folders. I knew you were using the SVD stock (read envious). On the AK handguards, are they the same as what fits an AK or are they different so they fit the s12 barrel and what not? If they're the same doesn't KVAR make US sets? http://www.k-var.com...&cat=366&page=1 some people call them pucks There are russian poly's and US made polys, luckly I have both Kavar / Arsenal lower handguard requires enlarging inside barrel contour and there's not enough material. It will break thru in the rib area's. I have the HG yoy refer to in front of me now. Thanks for the info Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorch95 1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Well on the rifles the op-rod is the piston where as on the shotgun the puck is the piston. Well crud, looking back at it, I don't think the hd rod counts as a 922r part so we may be out of luck until a new puck comes out. No problem, was just throwing out ideas even though I'm fairly confident you know all of this . Didn't realize that they had to be opened up. That stinks as that throws my plans out for the time being. Edited February 28, 2012 by Scorch95 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 I see on Dinzag site that the trunion or mounting block might not be considered a part in a shotgun by ATF, for whatever reason. That would bring the parts count to 16, so 6 parts replaced would be needed. I would use a US pistol grip, T/H/S, muzzle brake and floorplate to use factory mags. If the trunion is counted, I would use US mags till the makers increase the number of US made parts. Legion USA is selling the converted guns with factory mags. I wonder which of their parts is US made? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) 433-030 parts after conversion: buttstock pistol grip receiver trigger/hammer/disconnector trunion bolt carrier/bolt/op rod piston barrel foregrip muzzle attachment mag body mag follower mag floorplate Total: by my count that's 17 parts. I think it is 1 more than an AK rifle because of the separate piston and "op rod". I hope the US folks step up and make some parts like a US piston and foregrip for this gun or else it will be hard to use a factory magazine. The pistol grip would only count if it's a non US part and since it doesn't import that way we don't have to count it in its base configuration. Total parts count is likely 15 or 16 depending on muzzle attachment. The muzzle attachment is the iffy portion on whether or not ATF see's a thread protector as an attachment per say but he's stated he's using a US made attachment. If the 433's op rod is the same as a regular S12 then you could potentially just install a tom cole rod. It's hard right now being the model is new to being imported here. At this point he would have the following imported parts: Receiver barrel mounting block bolt bolt carrier gas piston buttstock magazine body follower floor plate 10 foreign parts and perfectly legal with any magazine. But that would be replacing hand guard and op-rod on top of trigger, hammer, disconnector, & using a US pistol grip which he said he does for the moment. At 17 foreign parts I think I look OK 1) US made muzzle device 2) US made tappet 3) us made trigger 4) us made hammer 5) us made disconnector 6) us made PG 7) us made floor plates Anyway luckly I've got the AGP magwell / LBHO mags working perfectly, I also have been hoarding the 8rd russian magwell mags for the last couple of years 030 / IZ-433 op rods are completly different than 108 / 109 It seems there is a lot of people who have bought izzy PG's / izzy muzzle breaks / and the russian poly's that are going to have to be creative indeed Edited February 28, 2012 by RamLake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorch95 1 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) Anyway luckly I've got the AGP magwell / LBHO mags working perfectly, I also have been hoarding the 8rd russian magwell mags for the last couple of years I would be willing to help relieve you of that particular problem . It would be hard on me but I could take one or 5 or all for the team here at saiga-12. Aren't the US folders with a 4.5mm hinge? I know it would be crazy expensive considering you'd have to have both Russian and US stocks but could you change it over using the 5.5mm hinge using the Russian parts on the US stock and be good to go? I don't have mine in hand yet to see if its even possible, just curious. Edited February 28, 2012 by Scorch95 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Anyway luckly I've got the AGP magwell / LBHO mags working perfectly, I also have been hoarding the 8rd russian magwell mags for the last couple of years I would be willing to help relieve you of that particular problem . It would be hard on me but I could take one or 5 or all for the team here at saiga-12. Aren't the US folders with a 4.5mm hinge? I know it would be crazy expensive considering you'd have to have both Russian and US stocks but could you change it over using the 5.5mm hinge using the Russian parts on the US stock and be good to go? I don't have mine in hand yet to see if its even possible, just curious. I have US and russian poly's but really like the SVDS making it a clone 030-1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) no us manufactured AK style replacement HG yet, What about the Iron wood designs S12 handguard sets? 7) us made floor plates Did you make your own or buy them? Edited February 28, 2012 by AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 no us manufactured AK style replacement HG yet, What about the Iron wood designs S12 handguard sets? 7) us made floor plates Did you make your own or buy them? Made my own Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 no us manufactured AK style replacement HG yet, What about the Iron wood designs S12 handguard sets? 7) us made floor plates Did you make your own or buy them? Made my own Do you make your own Fire control group aswell. Can you give any details on how the conversion differed from a standard S12, mainly the FCG portion. Was it any different with the LRBHO? Thanks AZG Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 For 922r, I got around it by using a floorplate from this guy: http://www.boomsticksforever.com/fplates.html I also took a follower from a SGM 8 round mag and installed it in the Vepr 8 round mag. It cycles just fine but the LRBHO does not function. This is a temporary work around for me until someone starts selling tappets/pucks. God, I love jumping through hoops for silly laws. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 Yup, I ordered a few from them too. Does a Vepr BHO follower in a modified US mag work? If Legion is OK selling their converted guns with an imported mag, then we should be OK using an imported mag with US floor plate with imported folding stock... it's musical chairs using gun parts! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) no us manufactured AK style replacement HG yet, What about the Iron wood designs S12 handguard sets? 7) us made floor plates Did you make your own or buy them? Made my own Do you make your own Fire control group aswell. Can you give any details on how the conversion differed from a standard S12, mainly the FCG portion. Was it any different with the LRBHO? Thanks AZG Only that the LRBHO is a LOT easier to install!!!! Absolutly the same as 108 / 109 Edited February 29, 2012 by RamLake 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Anyone have any advice on how to remove an 030 frozen gas puck from the gas block? At least on the 109s you can jam the puck out with a cleaning rod. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Shoot it with the gas tube removed? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vicdoc 38 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Better have good eye protection... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted February 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 There is a groove on the inside I believe is for just such an event. Use an gear puller with bearing cup internal jaws Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Put a spent round in the chamber lock it in with the bolt - without the carrier. Blow compressed air down the barrel. use a heavy rag to catch the puck it should come out with considerable force. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lelandeod 179 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 Lol, like Ray said... There's a hole in the puck with a shoulder you can grab to pull it out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
unclejake 428 Posted February 29, 2012 Report Share Posted February 29, 2012 (edited) Saiga-12K" version 030-1 initial mokup Testing in the near future 430mm barrel custom 10 slot win choke adapter custom gas block w/ rail saiga 12 SVDS w/recoil pad molot PG on the way from Russ Mil PK-A Red Dot in transit Looks great along with a Spetnaz 3 w 430mm barrel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpHDwXN1hnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S3lLGedtKc Made my butt pucker when I didn't see any coolant being pumped while the barrel was being cut! Are my eyes getting that bad? Edited February 29, 2012 by unclejake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Saiga-12K" version 030-1 initial mokup Testing in the near future 430mm barrel custom 10 slot win choke adapter custom gas block w/ rail saiga 12 SVDS w/recoil pad molot PG on the way from Russ Mil PK-A Red Dot in transit Looks great along with a Spetnaz 3 w 430mm barrel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpHDwXN1hnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S3lLGedtKc Made my butt pucker when I didn't see any coolant being pumped while the barrel was being cut! Are my eyes getting that bad? Hard to show cutting oil brush / turn dials / and hold the camera with only 2 hands More toys came in 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TwentyNizzo 66 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 holy crap! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 All that money into factory 8's, spend a few bucks and get a tri pod! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted March 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 All that money into factory 8's, spend a few bucks and get a tri pod! You funny Guy!! Acually my camera equipment cost me more than my gun collection.....No kids.....No wife 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 All that money into factory 8's, spend a few bucks and get a tri pod! You funny Guy!! Acually my camera equipment cost me more than my gun collection.....No kids.....No wife Well then... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorch95 1 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 holy crap! What he said!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eric Pate 478 Posted March 3, 2012 Report Share Posted March 3, 2012 Badass, Lee. Keep it up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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