ziondogg 0 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So I threaded my barrel and installed a muzzle brake and the only thing I noticed is it is louder. Plain and simple, is there a muzzle brake out there that will minimize muzzle rise? I don't care what it looks like or how much it cost. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sunnybean 939 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Get a four piece/beer keg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jimdigriz 580 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Battlecomp. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ratworxusa 5/8 x 24 RHT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GregM1 241 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Ghost Rider, just curious as to which brake you chose that was ineffective? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aust 10 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Interested also Quote Link to post Share on other sites
semper299 284 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Just my experience, but there is quite a difference in 74 style MB's and actual 74 MB's. Didn't know if yours is either of those. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joek4061 6 Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 I have an FSC-47 on my rifle and would say that it does reduce muzzle rise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jaymce 7 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 So I threaded my barrel and installed a muzzle brake and the only thing I noticed is it is louder. Plain and simple, is there a muzzle brake out there that will minimize muzzle rise? I don't care what it looks like or how much it cost. More effective the brake the more noise you will get. That is how it works it seems. I found an AMD 65 brake to be very effective. I also drilled some holes in the top of the brake and there is very little recoil or rise. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armory 142 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 (edited) The 74 really works well on my SGL-21. I like it so much, I ordered one for my WASR. They "claim" a 50% reduction in recoil, I would say it is at least 30-40% or so. Just my 2 cents...... Edited February 25, 2012 by armory Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robalark 0 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Troy medieval Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 The AMD-65 brake works good, but it's VERY loud. It was designed to create "a demoralizing sound" I get one hell of a flash from it too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 25, 2012 Report Share Posted February 25, 2012 Once i get my new barrel pinned in place and her all reassembled, I'm going to do a comparison video between the Krebs, KVAR and Bulgarian '74 brakes. I'm curious to see the differences and whether or not i will have issues firing .30 cal out of the Bulgarian brake. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
datrowl 111 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) add me in as a second vote for the FSC47, does not reduce felt recoil but rather redirects it... straight back, makeing follow up shots MUCH easier as your PoA changes FAR less.... thats what I was after more than something to " tame " the recoil as the 762 is quite tolerable to someone of my size.... killing the muzzle flip and turning it into a direct straight back push is a big plus.... as a side note, its also a better than fair flash supresser as well... while its not sold as or touted as a flash supresser, it works as well as most items i've tried that are DESIGNED as flash supressers.... they are expensive... but if the coinage is not an issue, imho, they are as good as it gets Edited February 27, 2012 by datrowl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ziondogg 0 Posted February 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hey guys thanks for the input, its been a while and I don't exactly remember where I got it from. Here are a couple pics of the top and side if that helps. Datrowl- yea I def don't mind the recoil its the quicker follow up shots I'm after. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Eagle 839 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 (edited) My Arsenal came with a US made 24mm "zig zag" 74-style Bulgy brake. With the foregrip I added, muzzle rise is minimum, but the fireball off surplus Yugo is wicked(flame out all 3 holes and out the forward cuts). If I shoot regular Tulammo or Winchester, the fireball is a minimum. ETA: I'll snap some close up pics when I get home tomorrow. Oldest has the camera at the moment. Edited February 27, 2012 by Lone Eagle Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrThunder88 912 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 Hey guys thanks for the input, its been a while and I don't exactly remember where I got it from. Here are a couple pics of the top and side if that helps. Datrowl- yea I def don't mind the recoil its the quicker follow up shots I'm after. Looks like a CNC Warrior Vz. 58-style. Good to hear that it works. I was interested in getting one of the 14x1mmL versions a while ago but hadn't heard anything about them one way or another. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buddykermit 16 Posted February 27, 2012 Report Share Posted February 27, 2012 does anyone know which side a slant brake is supposed to go for righties? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robalark 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) open side about 2clock i think. (as you are looking down the sights) Edited February 28, 2012 by NorCArl Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tony71 0 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 +1 battlecomp. Itreally reduces muzzle rise. I have FSC47 and battle comp does better job keeping the muzzle on target for the follo up shots Quote Link to post Share on other sites
buddykermit 16 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 norcarl thats what i thought but i was just making sure i didnt have it backwards lol i like the slant and have them on both my aks. i think the 74 style is for 74s and the slants and real birdcages are for the 47s but everyone has an opinion. i may try and get a euro birdcage type flash hider when i eventually get my posp on there but for now i like the slants look and function Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 +1 for battlecomp... or mine! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted February 28, 2012 Report Share Posted February 28, 2012 (edited) norcarl thats what i thought but i was just making sure i didnt have it backwards lol i like the slant and have them on both my aks. i think the 74 style is for 74s and the slants and real birdcages are for the 47s but everyone has an opinion. i may try and get a euro birdcage type flash hider when i eventually get my posp on there but for now i like the slants look and function Actually your Saiga is a '74M chambered in 7.62x39. All they are is a different caliber on the updated '74M platform. Factory AK103, .30cal/7.62x39 with correct '74 style brake... (Factory Izhmash photo) Edited February 28, 2012 by Mullet Man Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joek4061 6 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Share Posted March 1, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WlqGU6hGT24 This is a nice comparison of the Slant, FSC and Battle Comp brakes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SgtRaven 531 Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I love my Miculek for .223. I've had '74 Bulgarian zig-zag (but on my 5.45) and loved it, but believe Miculek is even more effective (on my .223). He's got version for .308 as well. At the price CTD sells them for, I'd get one, modify and put on for use with larger caliber, if you're willing to put an extra effort. I shot Tula, Federal, Lake City, Winchester and few others and like them all with this comp. You can set it up at "1 o'clock" (if you're RH-sided) and it works well with use of support hand (left in this case). And, despite some statements, I didn't find it too loud. I love it! Here is a video of my comp in action. Hope that helps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTKldS_etXw&feature=youtu.be Frankly, my next comp will be the one I design and build (executed by my good machinist friend). Have fun, Happy Shooting! Edited March 9, 2012 by Sgt. Raven Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vitamink 90 Posted March 10, 2012 Report Share Posted March 10, 2012 battlecomp Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutchsaiga 93 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 The 74 really works well on my SGL-21. I like it so much, I ordered one for my WASR. They "claim" a 50% reduction in recoil, I would say it is at least 30-40% or so. Just my 2 cents...... Fwi. The 74 brake you have on your SGL is far different than the one in 14x1lh for your wasr. Especially if the one you ordered for wasr is tapco. Don't expect the same results from the tapco as the real bulgy zig zag. Or even the k var us made bulgy 74 copy for that matter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rocketfoot 29 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I have a CNC Warrior Night Brake on my Yugo and it really seems to cut back the recoil compared to the slant that it came with... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jamesavery22 54 Posted March 14, 2012 Report Share Posted March 14, 2012 I've played with a fair amount of muzzle brakes, comps, and flash hiders. FSC47, slant, nightshroud, nightbrake( ), bird cage a2 style, bird cage, AK74 type's(real 24mm design and shitty 14mm), beer can, phantoms. In terms of perceived recoil and time back on target the differences are very very small... My grip and shouldering(read TRAINING) have had a much larger impact on both. Much more so than any muzzle attachment addition ever has. If you are hard pressed on a brake/comp get one with some flash hiding ability. Or better yet just get a pure flash hider. Also KISS... Size and money wise. Battlecomp does top out all the others in muzzle rise. Would I rather get a $30 flash hider and spend the left over $170 on training? HELL YES. These work fine(actually recommend the Krebs since the brownell's doesnt have the detent notch): http://www.midwayusa.com/product/828794/krebs-custom-guns-m16-a2-style-flash-hider-m14x10-lh-thread-ak-47-ak-74-steel-matte http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=40773/sku=997-000-004/Product/A2-Style-Flash-Hider Oh and no beer can's on any barrels < 12"s. Bad idea. Same boat as permanently attaching a KX3 on a 13.7" AR barrel. If you want it because it looks cool, fine. Just call it what it is. Sacrificing a trunnion/bolt carrier for the sake of looks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
logartist 6 Posted March 15, 2012 Report Share Posted March 15, 2012 I've played with a fair amount of muzzle brakes, comps, and flash hiders. FSC47, slant, nightshroud, nightbrake( ), bird cage a2 style, bird cage, AK74 type's(real 24mm design and shitty 14mm), beer can, phantoms. In terms of perceived recoil and time back on target the differences are very very small... My grip and shouldering(read TRAINING) have had a much larger impact on both. Much more so than any muzzle attachment addition ever has. If you are hard pressed on a brake/comp get one with some flash hiding ability. Or better yet just get a pure flash hider. Also KISS... Size and money wise. Battlecomp does top out all the others in muzzle rise. Would I rather get a $30 flash hider and spend the left over $170 on training? HELL YES. These work fine(actually recommend the Krebs since the brownell's doesnt have the detent notch): http://www.midwayusa...-74-steel-matte http://www.brownells...yle-Flash-Hider Oh and no beer can's on any barrels < 12"s. Bad idea. Same boat as permanently attaching a KX3 on a 13.7" AR barrel. If you want it because it looks cool, fine. Just call it what it is. Sacrificing a trunnion/bolt carrier for the sake of looks. Amen. I have a RJF A2 birdcage on mine. Hold your weapon on target, that's your brake. Force that muzzle down. If you MUST have a product to aid you, get a gas pedal or Larue hand stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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