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Hello everyone, We all live in interesting times. I follow quite a lot of politics, and I must say that I Condemn John Kerry. He is nuts, he will bring down America faster than it took Clinton to make the stain on Monica's blue dress. First off, John Kerry would have the NRA dismantled if he got his way.

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/release..._2003_1030.html

Second he is stupid when it comes to guns and gun laws. "When I go hunting I take my 12 ga. shotgun, not an assult weapon." -John Kerry.

How many people here have a 12 ga. Saiga and go hunting? (i know tons of us do)

Third, John Kerry's military would still be using what they had in the 1970's!!!!!

He has voted against every military advancement you can think of.

 

I hate to say it. But I can see a world in which our guns are taken away from us (prob after the nra is gone) and our military is stripped. On the bright side, we would provide helth care to entire world, with us paying for it. That is until the econormy failed, and we were invade by China or someone.

 

If I had to pick a new world leader assuming america falls into socialism, like europe, then I would guess the EU and America will turn out like the old soviet union. Leaving Russia to become the super power (granted they continue to not go back to the old system) because they have already seen where communism is ging to lead.

 

I hope to god that it will not happen to america, but it doesnt look all to promising.

 

Sorry for my spelling, and ranting and raving, other are welcome to add their thoughts.

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I'm glad Bush has changed his mind on backing an AWB replacement...at least for now.

 

John Kerry probably drives a Mercedes or BMW too that's registered for 150mph...well, I never go that fast, therefore, HE shouldn't have a car that does. So maybe we should take his car away cause most of us aren't that speedy.

 

OR, maybe, I don't really care if he even puts a jet engine in his car, cause I don't judge him based on my own actions.

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No wonder you don't like Tony Blair... I bet our administration does though since he backed Bush in the latest war when few would. Colin Powell really gets to me, I felt sorry for him being the "errand boy" of Bush...going around the world trying to win support for the "war on terrorism" and fight the "axis of evil" blah blah.

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I hear what you are saying about Kerry, but until I see his voting record, I am not buying it. Just because someone says it, does not make it so.

 

That point aside, Bush has not done anything positive for the people of this country. Based upon Bush's record, I would have to go with Kerry even if I disagreed with him over guns.

 

What has Bush done? Taken our economy down the tubes; horrifically increased the national debt, politically alienated this country from the rest of the world; made the rich richer while sending national spending out of control and increasing the national deficit; and lied to the nation to justify his actions. If you don't like these facts, don't get mad at me because I didn't vote for the village idiot to begin with - you did. No one wants to see the little Hitler out of there any worse than I do.

 

If you want me to quit holding back and tell you how I really feel, I'll be happy to do so.

 

Billyjobob

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:smoke: Hi all, the biggest problem is that 99.99999999% of all politicians are 2 faced,lying,backpeddling,bribe taking,etc bastards no natter what party they are with and we are stuck with constantly haviing to decide between the lesser of 2 or more evils. I cannot tell you how many times i have researched these turds with a fine tooth comb before I vote,and then they do the 'political pancake flip' and say they CANNOT do what they campaigned on and claim amnesia! There is only ! politician who I have faith in and that s my local representative in Congress House of Rep. Rep. Christopher Cox

What needs to happen(and it NEVER will unless we kick all the turds out and start over) is to get a law or Ammendment that requires the politicians to sign an employment contract or something so they cannot back peddle-I mean if they cannot pull it off,they must AT LEAST TRY!- or get fired and thrown out for breach of contract AND NO 'RETIREMENT FUND' for having been in office.

Hey-we do not do our jobs,we get fired!

One last comment,and do not take it wrong, Hitler DID get the German economy back on its feet and put people back to work after the Versaille Treaty totally destroyed it and while we all know the ultimate end to his lunacy,the turn around was amazzing-from like 50% unemployment or so to 100% employment HAS to be taken note of. Granted the German people took care of their own 'house' first and were NOT supporting,propping up,paying off,etc dozens of countries,governments around the world such as the USA is,these foreign policies are ,I believe in the long run, going to bleed us dry or leave us open to a 'hostile takeover' from outside or within-think up your own possibilities-from invasion to a totalitarian/socialist state-which is how the current situation is slowly /inexorably proceeding towards. :eek:

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I hear what you are saying about Kerry, but until I see his voting record, I am not buying it. Just because someone says it, does not make it so.

 

That point aside, Bush has not done anything positive for the people of this country. Based upon Bush's record, I would have to go with Kerry even if I disagreed with him over guns.

 

What has Bush done? Taken our economy down the tubes; horrifically increased the national debt, politically alienated this country from the rest of the world; made the rich richer while sending national spending out of control and increasing the national deficit; and lied to the nation to justify his actions. If you don't like these facts, don't get mad at me because I didn't vote for the village idiot to begin with - you did. No one wants to see the little Hitler out of there any worse than I do.

 

If you want me to quit holding back and tell you how I really feel, I'll be happy to do so.

 

Billyjobob

i completely disagree! :haha:

 

but to each their own. as long as you have reasons to hate bush, and are able to make an argument, than by all means do so. and it sounds like you have your own opinions on the matter, and thats what being an American is all about.

 

i just get sick of people who say they hate bush, and when asked why they respond by saying something moronic like "he's an idiot", or "he's an alcoholic"

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Billyjobob,

 

The economic mess is and was not Bush's fault. The economy has recovered greatly. The president of the US has no control over and nothing to do with the economy, you do by spending money, starting a business, hiring employees, investing and all kinds of other things. The deficit is natural during times of war. The budget was balanced before 9/11 due to no military spending. The Hitler comments do not become a member of this forum, we are all too smart for that kind of rhetoric. Hitler confiscated personal firearms. He did not take money from the NRA.

 

If you want to hate him then hate him for what he has done. His best. Hate him for the prescription drug benefit, the education bill, the patriot act, not fixing social security, uncountable handouts to other countries, $2 a gallon gas(war, i doubt it), killing terrorists who killed us, ignoring the UN that lets libya and syria on its human rights commission.

 

You know, he used the same intelligence to attack Iraq as Clinton did to lob cruise missile in the '90's so hate Clinton too!!

 

And thousand son don't blame the politicians but blame us!!! We keep electing them, we keep supporting a broken election system.

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"I hear what you are saying about Kerry, but until I see his voting record, I am not buying it. "

 

I hope you have your wallet handy. Kerry has voted for only one Defense spending bill, and that was in the late 90s when a certain outgoing presedent wanted it. He voted against about every frontline piece of military hardware that is currently in the field. He has voted for every anti gun bill that came to vote and against every progun piece of legislation, including the latest attemp to attach the AWB to the liability bill. He put the meaning of liberal in the term "liberal democrat.

 

And you don't have to believe my word on it, look it up for yourself. http://vote-smart.org

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Onepoint, I did look it up at your suggestion. You are correct about Kerry's vote on gun legislation. His record is pretty consistent. I suggest we all study it carefully as it gives some insight into his thinking and position. While I personally disagree with his stance on this subject, there are many others I do agree with. While I don't agree with it, I have to admit there is some logic to his position. Wrong logic about how to keeps guns out of the wrong hands, but still logic.

 

One point is extremely difficult to argue with Kerry vs. Bush. Kerry did actively defend his country in a war zone and risk his life whereas Bush did not. I think Kerry has credibility on that point. Look at their war records and then talk to me.

 

Chips, I have to agree with you that we each have a right to our own viewpoints and that IS what makes this country great. My respects to you.

 

Thousand Son, I'm there with you on getting rid of all the politicians and lawyers and giving this country back to the people. Count me on your team.

 

Bigfoot, you are right about the Hitler comment, but you are kidding yourself about Bush's responsibilities for the mess we are in.

 

Hey, I have become comfortable being the minority opinion. My concept of CRIME control is to arm every sane American adult, REQUIRE them to carry a gun, and then let natural selection work. Someone wants to mug grandmother, let them get mowed down in the street like the dog they are by the other bystanders and pretty soon, we don't have a crime problem, judicial backlog, or prison overcrowding. The number of stupid criminals is also drastically reduced. What a life!

 

Thanks all for listening.

 

Billyjobob

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Don't get me wrong about Bush there is plenty to dislike about him. My wife is studying to be an economist and she and her professors say the recession started in 99-2000, before the election. I dislike his "give me" attitude.

 

We are given a choice of the lesser of two evils at every election.

 

Where is good old trust bustin' T. R. when we need him!!!!

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Yeah, Bush can't be blamed for everything wrong with government...You have to remember that he is still only one man acting in a very slow play. What makes the biggest differnece in congress isn't the president, but the back alley alliances they make with one another to get things done.

 

Sounds like Billyjobob likes the "old west" style politics....with the classic "he killed the Sheriff, get a rope!" type justice. ;)

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Bigfoot:

 

I know what you are saying. The thing that irked me immediately about GWB and the economy was, right after he took office and when the economy was teetering around waiting for a sign of where it was going to go, GWB started running his mouth about how things looked bad for the economy at ITS MOST VUNERABLE MOMENT. DAMN there guy, the economy is teetering and, just at at the critical moment, the President of the United States starts talking about how bad it looks. I may not be a brain surgeon, but even I know better than that.

 

If you go back for the last 20 years and look at how the economy has preformed under both Democrats and Republicans, you will find it did not fare so well under Republicans. Coincidence? I don't think so IMHO. I was there (and in my working years), I lived it, I remember what it was like.

 

I'll never try to tell you that Democrats are the cure for whatever ails ya, but where the economy and jobs are concerned, they are consistently the cure.

 

While I hate to say it here (or anywhere for that matter), if it comes to a choice between my guns or my livelihood, I'm going to have to go with the livelihood. I hope it never comes to that, but if it does, I can't eat a gun and it ain't too good at keeping rain off my head either. While I MIGHT die to protect my right to own them, I am not willing to starve my family for them. It is a hard reality, but it is the way it is.

 

Billyjobob

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As time goes by I think more and more people are going to come to understand that theydo not elect a president. They only confirm the selection presented to them by International Banking Families via the media they own/control. Presidents of any nation only do the will of these families. Should any president go off the reservation, their is the Kennedy Solution, as several national leaders have learned eternally. Their is not one doubt in my mind that if Bush or Kerry or any other president received a bill from congress for his signiture to ban guns in the hands of private citizens, he would not veto it. Wilkin

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Billyjobob:

 

I see what you are saying about democrats, KY is a vastly democratic state. Although I chose to be a republican because of my conservative views, I do see your point.

 

Wish we could have it both ways, open minded democrats that are willing to change government policy for the people while still retaining our rights like gun ownership.

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Billyjobob-

I can't agree with "but where the economy and jobs are concerned, they are consistently the cure." I know that during our history as a country we have had lots of ups and downs in the economy with both parties. However I am of the opnion that Dems of today are leaning far to left. Sure I agree there is a blance, and having some dem leaders isnt a bad thing, but look at what happened to California. They are not doing so well, and given the same leadership over our country, we would prob. end up the same way.

 

Keep in mind that you can also use a gun to hunt for you family. While I know our forest, and hunting is on the decline, its a lot harder to catch a deer (or other animal) without a gun. But I do understand the choice between gun vs family members, I wouldnt blame you.

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I wouldnt agree with that either. The econ. is diong fine in every sector except job growth(employment). and even the unemployment at 5 something percent is norm. Clinton only mannaged to get it down to 4%. And I might add europe is in the 10% range with their unemployment. We have had the biggest grown since the 80's, and compared the Bush's father, the econ. is in much better shape.

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I wouldnt agree with that either. The econ. is diong fine in every sector except job growth(employment). and even the unemployment at 5 something percent is norm. Clinton only mannaged to get it down to 4%. And I might add europe is in the 10% range with their unemployment. We have had the biggest grown since the 80's, and compared the Bush's father, the econ. is in much better shape.

dont get me wrong, i wasnt saying that there was any problem with the economy :smoke:

 

its just that anti bush people tend to say that he has destroyed the economy

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:smoke: Greetings fellow members! Ah,quite the hornet nest buzzing!

I am going to try to respond to everyone but if I do not get the names right it is because I am srolling up and down constantly! oh forget it I am just going to roll ....

Bigfoot-The comments on hitler---I know he conficated all guns from the populace(at least the ones who turned them in) and I am sure this contributed to what happened in the following years. We will never know if the population would have said 'enough with the bombing!!! You are outta here!' and would have revolted,speculate all you want. Rememmber the staff who tried to assassinate Hitler? Hitler had the towns, where the main planners of the operation were from,destroyed and wiped from the german maps.

The comments on the revival of the German economy still stand-if you read into it,Hitler did essentially what happened in the US during the depression,work programs to build the Autobahn-similar to the US Interstate highways,build hydroelectric powerplants,got the industrial base going again and made people feel that life was worth living again. The allies after WW1 forced Germany to repay all costs incurred by the allies in the war,this in turned ruined the economy,caused runaway inflation-the old 'wheel barrow full of money in the street-wheel barrow stolen and money left dumped in the street'.

He was nothing if a very charismatic man and could, and did, motivate millions of people during his speeches-I mean if you watch this guy and compare his 'method' with most speakers nowadays there is no conest on who would win a poll. But please do not take these comments wrong,my parents are from germany and austria/yugoslavia and they had to endure the daily bombings,rationing,and on the other side,the russians rushing in from the east. They just wanted to make it through ......some did not.

On the Bush issues- my biggest gripe is that he should have dealt with Afghanistan/N.Korea 1st and once that was settled,THEN deal with Iraq.It wwas not necessary to in when he did and he did not send in enough troops to secure thee country-Bush would have had to send in 500,000 troops MINIMUM to secure the country asap and it probably would have prevented a lot of the current crap,and maybe the populace would actually feel better about the 'foreigners' there.

In the long run remember this-the various arab fanatical factions have been fighting each other for centuries due to what-differing opinions on the Koran!? As long as these clerics are in control and can motivate their followers,there will NEVER be peace in the middle east. The US is stuck in one hell of a mess now.

Sheik-please do not get offended by the above comments,I have some very good and dear friends who are Persian,Lebanese,etc. and in nowway am I trying to generalize...

Last comment on this and it will probably start a fire...as long as there is one fanatical jew/israeli and one fanatical arab there will never be peace iether.

On the economy-it is the greed of the corporations,screwed up tax laws,federal,state and local governments who have NO idea how to control spending,book cooking,investment fraud,and WAY out of control healthcare costs that are killing this economy,even though it is 'getting better'--I have been out of work for 7 months and I KEEP emailing,faxing,applying in person,etc for positions that need filling but everyone is just gathering info for WHEN they need you at the last minute. It is very frustrating.....

On the election system--even if you vote for your 'lesser of 2 evils' there is NOTHING to say you 'electoral college rep' HAS to vote the way the majority in their 'district' voted,AND WE CAN NEVER FIND OUT HOW THEY VOTED! We need to go back to a totally open voting system-you get a ballot with EVERY candidates name and you vote for whoever you want in whatever party you want i.e. republican president,independent vice p.,libertarian speaker of the house,etc. BUT the present system will NEVER change UNLESS something VERY serious happens and we return to what the USA originally was--a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC and NOT a DEMOCRACY(democracies are inherently unstable and are as violent in their deaths as they are brief in their existence--quote from Thomas Jefferson)

I for one will probably want bush in for one more session so he can clean up the current 'situations' and not have kerry or whoever get in and di a 180 and potentially REALLY mess things up more,to the point where I could not travel anywhere without a bulls eye on me because I am an American-it is almost that bad in a lot of areas..

Enough,sorry I took up so much space,too bad we cannot all gather for pizza and beer and talk!! :super::super:

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Right one thousand son! beer and pizza!!!!!

 

thats one of my biggest fears, If Kerry does win all the positive progress will be lost. He would leave Iraq to the UN and EU, and give them primary control of our military. Thats a scary thought.

 

I too thought we should have dealt with N. Korea more. However Saddam was one of, if not the most evil leader/person since hitler/stalin (and then north korea's leader) So I'm glad Saddam is gone, and Iraq should become a better place fore it.

 

The UN, and the EU more so, will be one heck of a pain in our interests. Or so I pridict.

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geeze, what did I say..... I was watchin fox news today when they started talking about evidence that the UN was taking kickbacks from Iraq. Apprently they were using the "oil for food" programs to pay off loyal ssupporters, such as france, germany, china, and the head of the UN. Apprently this is big enough that we might not turn over iraq to the UN like we were going to. There will be more invesgation, into this, so we will have to keep an eye out.

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The economy is doing well. except for job growth. I would like to mention reagan and republicans doing well with the economy.

 

WE are the economy not the gov't. WE are this country not the gov't.

IT is our money not theirs let us tell them no new spending and no new taxes!!!

 

Thousand son- the economy is good here in fort worth, what is your proffession?

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:smoke: Hey Bigfoot, I have had a variety of jobs. I was a test driver/tech for Subaru R/D for almost 4 years.I was actually employed by an engineering firm and was contracted out. It was a pretty neat job,but it did not pay enough-well let me clarify-Subaru kept saying they were going to hire me on but never came through,the engineering co was paid $20 an hour for me and I received $13/hr,while I was performing tasks and had responsibilities that were at a 20-30/hr level. Then the budget cuts came.My fault for staying and allowing myself to be led on. Now it seems I will be LUCKY to get a $10/hr job around this f&^%&in place,I hate commiefornia,and I was born here!

I wwas a purchasing agent for an aerospace co. before that-division was sold and moved to new york,before that I wwas a vehicle inspector,before that I worked in the bank. Guess I am a jack of all,master of none.

I can do a variety of things and have abilities that could be useful to a range of Co.'s but now it is like sending your resume into a black hole-all these jobs that I can do ,go to interviews,thought I had at least 4 jobs lined up,then dead silence....now they are relisting the ads AGAIN so as long as I see the ads I am sending in the resumes again....VERY FRUSTRATING! Then my Unemployment runs out,I file an extension and I get a letter saying I had to file by Dec.21/2003!?!-WTF!!?? Why file 3 months into U.I. ? I would think the state would go-'he is in super cheese off mode!' So I am appealing,but the bills keep coming!

Sorry I rambled on,GOD I WISH I COULD WIN THE LOTTO!! OR A SMALL PART OF IT-I am not greedy! Talk to you all later!

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I understand now why you are unemployed!!! You live in one of the few states to have experienced a recession-like event. Move to Texas, taxes are lower, houses are cheaper, you can live on a 16 dollar an hour job. Even some of our democratic state legislators belong to the NRA. We only allow the leg. to meet once every two for six months only, that way they can't screw things up too bad!!!!

 

Most cities around here hire code enforcement officer(the guys who tell you you grass is too high) and bus drivers for 16 bucks and hour and benefits.

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