fbg_firebug 1 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Can't wait for this double stack! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 That's what I said, but I was proven wrong. It turns out that I can wait. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 God has his little ways..... To teach us PATIENCE! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
doodi1 23 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 That's what I said, but I was proven wrong. It turns out that I can wait. and wait and wait and wait....................................and wait! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
physicsnerd 139 Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 The DS mags are a hope that surfaces every once in awhile. I try not to think about them often because then I would just be sad they aren't on the market! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I figured I'd resurrect a dead thread to poke the bear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vance665 225 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Csspecs mags are what the platform needed. One of these double stack mags might be a good range toy. Im sure people said the same thing about MD20s though. Obviously they are the shit. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 If it works reliably, it would be extremely practical IMO. Many people find the 8 round mags to be the acceptable limit of length. (I am not one of them, since I've never found the 12 to get in the way of anything other than storage and transport.) however a 14 round mag of the same length is a lot more firepower. For a truck or ranch gun, that makes the utility choice between a carbine and a shotgun a lot narrower. I can say that I would find it ideal to have a couple 16 round mags full of birdshot by the backdoor. Then when a flock of starlings descend, I would have a reasonable chance of obliterating a mag's worth before they were out of range. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 That's what I said, but I was proven wrong. It turns out that I can wait. and wait and wait and wait....................................and wait! forever Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james lambert 3,059 Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 as soon as one comes out ....some low life scum will copy it patent or not 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 If it works reliably, it would be extremely practical IMO. Many people find the 8 round mags to be the acceptable limit of length. (I am not one of them, since I've never found the 12 to get in the way of anything other than storage and transport.) however a 14 round mag of the same length is a lot more firepower. For a truck or ranch gun, that makes the utility choice between a carbine and a shotgun a lot narrower. I can say that I would find it ideal to have a couple 16 round mags full of birdshot by the backdoor. Then when a flock of starlings descend, I would have a reasonable chance of obliterating a mag's worth before they were out of range. For me I'm more of going with numbers in 5. Makes tracking easier when your pulling from boxes of 25 for target loads. I would love to see a 25rd drum but I understand the limit on 20. It's Fricken heavy. I have one and I will be waiting for another awesome deal to get 2 more. Also most slugs 00 ect come in packs of 5. I know my sst slugs do and man they are brutal but I'd hate to see what's on the other end, my shoulder gets enough. As for cloning promags can suck my ....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Can't wait for this double stack! Well, it has been six years.. So I bet you will learn how to wait, long before you hold the double stack. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 That means there are 10 years left until the idea is completely public domain, unless there is a challenge based on prior art or something in the mean time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDeko 792 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 it will be worth the wait Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I don't want to be a party pooper because I hope they work and make it into production. But I am sure the reason that they have not, is that they can't be made to work reliably. If you look at a double stack rifle mag, the shells are metal and slick, and also the shape of the rounds are a thin cylinder. These characteristics are what help the rounds combine into the narrower column. One more thing is that there is no issue with the rims. Imagine trying to get plastic shells (fat, heavy, not slick) to organize into a single column while also somehow organizing the overlap of the rims. It's a logjam. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Imagine trying to get plastic shells (fat, heavy, not slick) to organize into a single column while also somehow organizing the overlap of the rims. It's a logjam. This is exactly what the patent was about, Mike says he figured this out and I am sure he did. There could be a production problem or something else holding it up, but I am fairly certain the design itself would work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Didn't Tony Rumore post here a couple of years ago that he tested a prototype and it worked great? If I were to speculate on the hold-up.... and I will.... I was thinking the manufacturing and sale of his drums didn't turn out to be as profitable as he had hoped considering all of the time, effort, expense, etc. Especially the first time you do that type of project, it's really expensive since you make a lot of first time mistakes. Maybe he is forecasting marginal profit on the DS mags to get them to market and doesn't want to be stuck with a garage full of mags that he can't move profitably. If that was the case, I'd license the mag design to an established mag mfr. and wait for the checks to hit my mailbox. Just speculating though..... who knows. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 If I were in his shoes, I'd be negotiating with Remington/ Mossberg and Magpul to be the OEM supplier to their eventual modern shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 The best magazine format so far is the Kel Tec shotgun. 12 rounds in 2 tubes below the barrel. That could be scaled up to hold more rounds and the gun redesigned to be semi auto. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 that's some half hearted trolling there. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 The Kel Tec looks like an answer to a question that nobody ever asked! Kinda like a platipus 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 IMO, the KSG is not a bad shotgun and I wouldn't mind having one. Hell of a lot better than the UTAS monstrosity. There are a lot of unconventional shotguns I would like to own like the KSG, Six12 and SRM 1216. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 To me, the double stack is an attempt to upscale a format beyond it's limits of reliability. (Spring force of heavy rounds against gravity into funnel) But if you went to redesign a shotgun from scratch like Kel Tec did or others are going to do, it would most likely be mag-fed but abandon the traditional format. I like what Kel Tec did as far as being high capacity and compact, with likely scaleability to larger capacity. I also like how it ejects down So when other manufactures go to develop their modern shotgun, presumably they would go with a similar design rather than drums or mags, which are bulky and at a disadvantage to gravity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Tube fed is already a much more complex system and they more than doubled the critical components. Their feed mechanism is dependent on pieces of steel cast into plastic. Even when the plastic left them in the right place as they cast it, and the machine runs, watch videos of people running it. Even the owners who have had them a while are constantly forgetting and running a tube dry then having a moment of confusion, then selecting the next tube. Just about every time. IMO that's poor human engineering. UTAS made theirs auto flip when empty, so long as you left a lever in the right place for that to happen, but a lot of people were having problems with it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 To me, the double stack is an attempt to upscale a format beyond it's limits of reliability. (Spring force of heavy rounds against gravity into funnel) But if you went to redesign a shotgun from scratch like Kel Tec did or others are going to do, it would most likely be mag-fed but abandon the traditional format. I like what Kel Tec did as far as being high capacity and compact, with likely scaleability to larger capacity. I also like how it ejects down So when other manufactures go to develop their modern shotgun, presumably they would go with a similar design rather than drums or mags, which are bulky and at a disadvantage to gravity I take it you don't have a drum or a s12. These are amazing firearms to be able to gunsmith at home. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 And no matter how simple your tube loading is, it is still way slower than a detachable mag. Plus detachable mags can have many different capacities. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pedal2alloy 206 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 And no matter how simple your tube loading is, it is still way slower than a detachable mag. Plus detachable mags can have many different capacities. Reloading, detachable mag is fast, that's true. But maybe the ideal thing would be detachable twin tube. Per GunFun, the mechanics to switch the feed from 1 tube to the other would have to be redesigned to be automatic. I'm only talking about a theoretical future shotgun, and I really like the compact format of that KSG. But I do agree that the added mechanical complexity is a negative Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Heartbreaker 1,085 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 So something like the KSG and SRM 1216 combined? It would definitely be interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 Tubes put too much weight forward. A mag fed shotty that used a hi cap mag that went in the stock would be interesting. Could be a tubular mag. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonWienke 131 Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 Maybe the patent could be licensed to csspecs??? Their single-stack mags are excellent. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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