1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 So i posted along time ago i was new well i finally have my s-12 on the way should be here friday or so. I am going to do the conversion but i need to know if i should go ahead and order CSS low brass reliablity kit or just order a new puck and gas plug. I am also going to order CSS #8 conversion kit. I am also curious how well the AR-15 grip adapters hold up over time. I have been lurking and reading for a long time. Thanks for any info you can share. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 Why would you order a low brass reliability kit when you don't even have the gun yet? You might not need it. First thing you need to do is wait until you get your gun and test fire it, then worry about the conversion. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 I was gonna order it just to order the conversion kit and everything all at once Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted April 18, 2012 Report Share Posted April 18, 2012 The low brass reliability kit really only cures a symptom not the disease, if you do end up having issues cycling low brass there is a proper way to deal with it. Some guns run great right out of the box, hopefully this is what you get. Test fire it first and see how it cycles, you should do this before any conversion work. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewie212 37 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 +1 Im running all stock parts and have no problem cycling wally world bulk pack on setting 1. It fte d when it was brand new, but thats about it. The low brass reliability kit really only cures a symptom not the disease, if you do end up having issues cycling low brass there is a proper way to deal with it. Some guns run great right out of the box, hopefully this is what you get. Test fire it first and see how it cycles, you should do this before any conversion work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Ok what grips do you suggest i have medium sized hands and am use to the magpul miad grip i just dont know if thats the way i want to go on this S-12 or if a saw grip would be better. Any suggestions from experience? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I like the Hogue AK grip, requires a little bit of fitting to work with some trigger guards but very nice grip. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 I like the magpul grip, and don't really like the saw. Either is fine though, that is all up to preference. About anything is better than a classic AK pg grip though. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaGunNut 0 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Having mine built by PFIDude right now and I found the hogue grip to be the most comfortable. I am stoked! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dboberg 25 Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Definitely the Hogue grip. Don't make changes until you have put some shells through it! Its always better to get a base line. Then make one change at a time. You may not even need a reliability kit. If you aren't getting the results you want, their are other things to look at first (like the gas block and ports.) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 Ok i have a question whats the difference between the single hook trigger and double also is one better than the other for the conversion? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 20, 2012 Report Share Posted April 20, 2012 (edited) That might be solved by googling. The double either needs modified or you have to modify the gun to fit it because it will hit the receiver. however, search for "Over travel g2" and you will see one real advantages. Shorter trigger movement in both directions with proper fitting. Since I just posted the picture for another guy: Again, no need to cut the second hook, and you can control the pre-travel with a well placed fender washer from your trigger guard. Single Hook can drop in without modification, except to the hammmer. Edited April 20, 2012 by GunFun 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Well she finally came in today looks like she was made november 2011 it looks to have two gas ports should it have three? I also ordered my conversion kit from CSS today hopefully ill have her converted soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
haugpatr 972 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Now go shoot that gun and see how it performs! Hopefully it runs great, if not, there are plenty of people here and plenty of old threads to help! Check and see if it will cycle Federal bulk pack ammo. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Well she finally came in today looks like she was made november 2011 it looks to have two gas ports should it have three? I also ordered my conversion kit from CSS today hopefully ill have her converted soon. It should have 3 or 4. Check closer with a bent piece of wire. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOB A. BOOEY 45 Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 I got the CSS kit but my DPH Plug will not turn without depressing the detente which is NOT what its designed for. The plug itself works ok but its dangerous and kind of bitch to change the settings that way. I would try the Auto plug, Im going to. I do NOT recommend the DPH plug for that reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Thanks gunfun i checked with a light and and a bobbypin it seems i have about 2 1/2 ports haha but i did knock some slag out of them though so well see how she handles the bulk pack tomorrow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 Well had the first range session today she shot some low brass on setting 2 with only FTE being at the end of the mag. She wouldnt even cycle shooting from the hip but ill deal more with that after the convert overall i am more than happy since she looks to be about a 2 3/4 port gun haha. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris03xx 0 Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 So I got my Saiga 12 NIB awhile back. From the get go I was meet with disappointment. As fate would have it I think I ended up with a "vodka special". Of course it would not cycle any low brass walmart ammo, but also failed to cycle normal factory 2 3/4 00 buck on either setting. The only rounds I have gotten to perform were slugs. After fighting off the urge to cut my losses I order the parts kit and converted my Saiga. After a succsessful conversion and a new auto-plug I headed to the range. Still I had FTE almost every round. On top of that some of the rounds were being caught on the feed ramp and getting shaved, completly failing to chamber. I have inspected my gas ports, I have 3 of them, they are open but I do not know the exact size. The only step I know of is to dis-assemble the weapon and drill out the ports, but thats easier said then done. Am I missing something? I am open suggestions. Please help me fix my FTE problems for fear that I sell my Saiga... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigchris 31 Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 It is really not that hard to do the port mod. Do a search on gas block removal and drill the ports out to 3/32... Also look into polishing the bolt n carrier and the slide rails and fcg if you have done a conversion and after you do that go shoot it and you should see a significant difference. If you are still having issues after that look into a booster or performance puck. Dont give up on it yet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris03xx 0 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 3/32. Thats good to know. I guess I'll be stripping it down soon. I'll let everyone know how it turns out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Read the stickies before you start. Among other things, you need to keep the 30* angle. Also it sounds like you may want to do the "D-mod" or drill the hole in the gas block up to the next size while you have it off to clear the ports if they are in fact obstructed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris03xx 0 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I checked last night and it seems only one of my ports are completely open. The other two only go half way idk how I missed that. I am assuming that the 30 angle has the ports slanting towards the muzzle to prevent possible problems from the shot getting caught up in them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Yeah, let the ports guide the bit to the angle needed. If three at 3/32" don't work for you, have it re-profiled and polished.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1200hd_cj 3 Posted April 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 Well its like christmas today my conversion kit came in from css today im excited to get started. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
monkeybones 8 Posted April 26, 2012 Report Share Posted April 26, 2012 I bought the low brass reliability kit when my gun wouldnt cycle low brass. However, even with the kit I would still get FTE every 3 rounds or so. I had to open my ports to 3/32 (3 port gun) and it cycles perfectly fine with all the OEM saiga parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris03xx 0 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 So I drilled out my ports today. They were way smaller than 3/32. It was pretty easy though. The bit follows the old hole for the most part. Getting my gas block off was a pain in the ass... Any secret tips for putting it back on? BTW I decided not to do the "D" mod. The pattern on the barrel showed all 3 were un-obscured. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Whack it until it lines up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 Put the barrel in the deep freeze and heat the GB to 250F in the oven. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris03xx 0 Posted April 28, 2012 Report Share Posted April 28, 2012 It's back together finally. Test fire tomorrow. If it works I'll do it all over again on my other s12. Only next time less boast damage I hope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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