Saiga 12 Magazine Loader

[FOURBUX 22]

Hello again, S-12 forum!

 

Has anyone ever heard of a 12 ga. magazine loader for the Saiga-12 platform? For those not familiar with a magazine loader, here is a pic of one for AR/M4 mags:

 

I think this would be a great product to have and something that wouldn't be too hard to develop, especially with the skills of the business members around here. It would sell even better if it was able to work on the 20 round drum.

 

What do you think? Any interest in something like this or is it a dumb endeavor?

 

Also, here's a quick visual (from a post further down) to give an example of how one might work.

 

 

 

As an alternative, someone showed the Cammenga Easymag system, which would also be an interesting idea to quickly load magazines:

Edited May 11, 2012 by FOURBUX

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

With the design of the mags, I don't see a loader like that working well on rimmed ammo, I'm sure one COULD be made though...

[Fitty% 808]

If it could work with drums and mags I'd get one....seeing as its hard enought to load them with the one hand I have lol.

[FOURBUX 22]

With the design of the mags, I don't see a loader like that working well on rimmed ammo, I'm sure one COULD be made though...

 

Here's a quick visual to demonstrate how one could work. It would simply have to push in the middle of the shell and clear the rib on the back of the shell in the rotation.

 

 

Alright I've done the work, now someone BUILD IT!

Edited May 11, 2012 by FOURBUX

[BOB A. BOOEY 45]

Hello again, S-12 forum!

 

Has anyone ever heard of a 12 ga. magazine loader for the Saiga-12 platform? For those not familiar with a magazine loader, here is a pic of one for AR/M4 mags:

 

I think this would be a great product to have and something that wouldn't be too hard to develop, especially with the skills of the business members around here. It would sell even better if it was able to work on the 20 round drum.

 

What do you think? Any interest in something like this or is it a dumb endeavor?

 

 

The dont make em. I asked the manufacturer.

[sharkbit 109]

I talked to the manufacturer trying to get him to make one for Sten mags, and he said there wasn't a big enough market for them.

 

For the S-12, you are stuck using your fingers....and I think the Promag s12 Drum loading lever thingy sucks.

[FOURBUX 22]

I talked to the manufacturer trying to get him to make one for Sten mags, and he said there wasn't a big enough market for them.

 

For the S-12, you are stuck using your fingers....and I think the Promag s12 Drum loading lever thingy sucks.

 

I know I'd be interested in one for the s-12. I was kinda wanting to see what kind of interest could be generated in them in a thread like this. Maybe a business member might want to try to prototype one.

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

If one could make one that didn't deform the shell, it would probably be moderately lucrative.

[ndmak 10]

kind of like using an upside down follower to push the whole shell down at the same time

 

If one could make one that didn't deform the shell, it would probably be moderately lucrative.

[The_Caged_Bird 474]

Yeah but modified to clear the feed lips, I wouldn't get one myself, it's only ten shells and I don't really have a problem loading my MD-20, but I could see how a few users would appreciate them. I'm betting that evlblk would snatch one up in a heartbeat...

[Control3 3]

I probably have half a dozen mag loaders and yet I wouldn't bother with the Saiga mags. They are already easy/fast to load and unload by hand.

[RED333 1,025]

The stacked mag loader will not work, you have to push the shell down and then back to load a S12 mag.

The best way I have found is to push the loaded shell down with the next shell's end,

then rotate the shell foward and push back at the same time. It does take some time to get

used to this, but it does work.

[Bridis 319]

I just use my fingers.

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

shotgun shells are not that difficult to load where you would even need a magazine loader (unless of course you have physical limitations). unlike rifle rounds or pistol rounds which are smaller and more tedious to hand load

Edited May 11, 2012 by Matthew Hopkins

[dustindu4 101]

Loading shotgun shells isn't like loading 1000 9mm rounds in 32 round mags. The shells are bulky and don't take a lot of force to push in like a rifle mag

[hawaiianbasshead 3]

you know what can be a real pita to load, 22 hi cap mags LOL. tiny little things suck, they DO make loaders but I just sold my dedicated 22 upper for my AR so not too concerned anymore, only got 2 other 22s and they're not too bad. wanna try a bdm drum mag for our 10/22 but I'm thinkin maybe get a smith n wesson mp15-22 down the road and get the drum for that. maybe stick a slide fire on it lol

 

I was thinking rimmed catridges would have issues as well but I believe the AK rounds are rimmed and the lula loaders work?? don't have a standard 7.62 ak so not sure? if it were available and worked, I'd get one at least once to try out if it had good reviews. if it worked great I'd get more than one

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

I was thinking rimmed catridges would have issues as well but I believe the AK rounds are rimmed and the lula loaders work??

 

 

the 7.62x39, .308, 5.56, 9mm etc.. is rimless, meaning that the rim is the same diameter as the base of the cartridge. in rimmed cartridges ie. .22, 7.62x54r ( r meaning rimmed), .303, SG etc.. the rim is larger in diameter then the base of the cartridge.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Matthew Hopkins

[ewoketeer 35]

The 'rim' on a rimless cartridge is just the other side of the extractor groove, technically speaking...

[HarvKY 72]

I would think the HKS style loader would be best suited for the S12 mags - seeing how its single stack

I have one of these I used on an old 9mm Walther and its effective.

 

for example:

http://www.amazon.com/HKS-Adjustable-Caliber-Magazine-Speedloader/dp/B0000C1D27/ref=sr_1_3?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1336784428&sr=1-3

 

Cheers,

Harv

[pedal2alloy 206]

The best idea that nobody has done yet (other than airsoft) is make the follower so that it can be retracted and locked in the compressed position. Then you can load in shells without any resistance, then you release the follower

[FOURBUX 22]

So I guess there's only a mild interest in a mag loader for the S-12?

 

The general consensus seems to be that FOURBUX should stop being such a bitch and man up to load his mags.

 

Well played, S-12 forum.

[AtlSaiga 25]

I love my Lula loader for AK mags, since they're 30 rounders. but my S12 mags are 5 rounders so I think I can manage with just my fingers.

[Matthew Hopkins 1,065]

So I guess there's only a mild interest in a mag loader for the S-12?

 

The general consensus seems to be that FOURBUX should stop being such a bitch and man up to load his mags.

 

Well played, S-12 forum.

 

 

why the attitude? you started the thread, and stated:

 

 

"What do you think? Any interest in something like this or is it a dumb endeavor?"

 

 

 

all of us were being honest with what we thought and not snide with you or degrading you. so what gives?

Edited May 13, 2012 by Matthew Hopkins

[FOURBUX 22]

So I guess there's only a mild interest in a mag loader for the S-12?

 

The general consensus seems to be that FOURBUX should stop being such a bitch and man up to load his mags.

 

Well played, S-12 forum.

 

 

why the attitude? you started the thread, and stated:

 

 

"What do you think? Any interest in something like this or is it a dumb endeavor?"

 

 

 

all of us were being honest with what we thought and not snide with you or degrading you. so what gives?

 

No snideness intended, friend.

 

I thought there was more interest in a mag loader, but most people seem to agree that S-12 mags are relatively easy to load. When I put forth the idea, I had the 10 and 12 round stick mags and the 20 round drum in mind, not the 5 rounders, which I agree are easy enough to load.

[RedChallenger 149]

If it would make loading the 20rnd drums easier I would buy one.

[Doug Hartley 526]

I've never had a problem loading Saiga mags and I have 12s and a 20 round stick. I have no experience with drums because they won't fit my magwell. Since there doesn't seem to be much interest I doubt someone is going to spend the money to get this going except perhaps a dedicated individual. Come to think of it most of the stuff here has been developed by dedicated individuals so I guess anything is possible.

 

Here is a video of me loading my Saiga mags on the clock at Ironman 2 years ago. The stage was ammo limited and shotguns started empty, including magazines.

 

Doug

 

[sobrenegade 795]

Well, I had too much time on my hands this weekend and decided to try and build a loader for the s12. It took a bit of fiddling and a lot of patience. I used 1/16" polycarbonate, an over the door clothes hook, a couple #6 nuts and bolts and my trusty heat gun. It does work, but it won't break any speed loading records. It is based on my recollection of the old STEN mag loader. The point the tool engages the shell is on the base and it is strong enough to push the shell down to allow the next to be loaded. I turned the heads of the bolts down and flattened the tops, then recessed them on the inside of the loader so they did not contact the mag. I put a curve on the point where the hook meets the shell base to match that curve. It can be done and will work. Only problem is, it seems to be a thumb saver and not for competition. I used snap caps to work out the bugs and then Winchester high brass "00 buck" for testing. Pics are borderline mediocre, but you will get the idea. Had a heckuva time finding them to upload as my OS puts new pics in three different files. Thanks Windows.

[FlameRed 4]

I sure would buy an UPLULA style loader for the MD20, My price point would be $30-$40.

[FOURBUX 22]

Not bad, Sobre! Have you tried it on a 20 round drum?

[RED333 1,025]

True American thinking, nice job, thanks for sharing!