ec4321 113 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 http://www.guns.com/izhmash-new-saiga-12-for-competition-multigun-uspsa-ipsc-8427.html 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
G O B 3,516 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 ME WANT!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ec4321 113 Posted June 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Will be interesting how this effects the aftermarket if they are cleared by the ATF to import here. For example the integral Magwell may encourage the drum manufacturers to have their new devices fit this magwell which would make it the defacto standard magwell even if other aftermarket rigs are better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KennyFSU 249 Posted June 3, 2012 Report Share Posted June 3, 2012 Science damnit! I knew I should have waited lol. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted June 6, 2012 Report Share Posted June 6, 2012 Some pics from official site 1 2 3 4 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theturtlepond 31 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) Will be interesting how this effects the aftermarket if they are cleared by the ATF to import here. For example the integral Magwell may encourage the drum manufacturers to have their new devices fit this magwell which would make it the defacto standard magwell even if other aftermarket rigs are better. Like the bottom of the article says, Historically the ATF has blocked the importation of sweet and glorious machines such as these, claiming that they have no sporting purposes (a particular irony as that is given this shotgun was developed specifically for competition shooting), however a recent act of Congress, H.R. 5326—the appropriations bill for the Departments of Commerce and Justice, Science, and Related Agencies fiscal year 2013—passed on May 10th, 2012, prohibiting: "...The Department of Justice from requiring imported shotguns to meet a "sporting purposes" test that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has used to prohibit the importation of shotguns with one or more features disliked by the Agency, such as adjustable stocks, extended magazine tubes, etc."[/Quote] they can't deny them. Edited June 7, 2012 by theturtlepond 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 (edited) They'll be great for the "buy and shoot" crowd. But for those of us that have gotten the convert bug, meh. Besides, an extended neck on a drum would bugger with my bullpup build. Edited June 7, 2012 by BpS12 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Reverendfranz 160 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Will be interesting how this effects the aftermarket if they are cleared by the ATF to import here. For example the integral Magwell may encourage the drum manufacturers to have their new devices fit this magwell which would make it the defacto standard magwell even if other aftermarket rigs are better. Like the bottom of the article says, Historically the ATF has blocked the importation of sweet and glorious machines such as these, claiming that they have no sporting purposes (a particular irony as that is given this shotgun was developed specifically for competition shooting), however a recent act of Congress, H.R. 5326—the appropriations bill for the Departments of Commerce and Justice, Science, and Related Agencies fiscal year 2013—passed on May 10th, 2012, prohibiting: "...The Department of Justice from requiring imported shotguns to meet a "sporting purposes" test that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has used to prohibit the importation of shotguns with one or more features disliked by the Agency, such as adjustable stocks, extended magazine tubes, etc."[/Quote] they can't deny them. I wan't to beleive. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Some pics from official site 1 2 3 4 This new model looks almost like my gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CFOofEVIL 8 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 Curiosity begs the question: Where is the safety on this thing? Is it some kind of push button modification, left side mounted AR thumb switch style, completely removed, or what? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 The safety is the button above the trigger.. Some variation of this is more likely.. The top mount is nice and is clearly allowed by the current view by ATF. But that stock and muzzle device are going to not be allowed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
alternety 7 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 It would be even nicer if this gun was produced and imported if they would also ban vodka from the factory and sharpen all their tools. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted June 7, 2012 Report Share Posted June 7, 2012 ban vodka from the factory how many saigas do you expect to be imported if nobody shows up for work at the factory 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 (edited) Some pics from official site 1 Picture of Ilyn with his Saiga-12 for IPSC. 2 Picture of Ilyns Saiga-12 for IPSC. 3 Picture of Ilyn with his Saiga-12 for IPSC. This new model looks almost like my gun. IMHO, this Saiga-12 for IPCS looks almost like Ilyns Vepr-12, not your Saiga . This Saiga-12 as well as Vepr-12 for IPSC was made under cooperation of IPCS shooter Vsevolod Ilyn and Molot and Izhmash. Most ideas of his Vepr-12 IPCS ware moved to Saiga-12 platform with regulated gas block. Vepr-12 VPO-206 IPSC model, was made in cooperation of IPSC shooter Mr.Vselolod Ilyn and Chief Constructor of VYATSKIEPOLYANY MACHINE BULDING PLANT(Molot) Mr. Sergey Urzhumtsev, has many improvements such as: Collapsible Buttstock with Buffer and Buffer Sping, Metal Magazine Well, Picatinny M1913 instead of Rear Sight, Improved Trigger System, Improved Slide Stop Button, additional metal Barrel Handguard, Improved Gas block, Removable Left Bolt carrier Handle, Safety Button. 4 Picture of Ilyn with his Vepr-12 for IPSC. Edited June 8, 2012 by PapaZorro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FunkedOut 91 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 "...Saiga claims this shotgun is also modified for enhanced reliability, with early prototypes running 1,500 rounds without stoppages...." 1500 rounds?!?!? that's it? I'm only at 500 since my last cleaning, but I was hoping this weapon system could go for thousands upon thousands. I guess I'll see how far mine will go... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted June 8, 2012 Report Share Posted June 8, 2012 Some pics from official site 1 Picture of Ilyn with his Saiga-12 for IPSC. 2 Picture of Ilyns Saiga-12 for IPSC. 3 Picture of Ilyn with his Saiga-12 for IPSC. This new model looks almost like my gun. IMHO, this Saiga-12 for IPCS looks almost like Ilyns Vepr-12, not your Saiga . This Saiga-12 as well as Vepr-12 for IPSC was made under cooperation of IPCS shooter Vsevolod Ilyn and Molot and Izhmash. Most ideas of his Vepr-12 IPCS ware moved to Saiga-12 platform with regulated gas block. Vepr-12 VPO-206 IPSC model, was made in cooperation of IPSC shooter Mr.Vselolod Ilyn and Chief Constructor of VYATSKIEPOLYANY MACHINE BULDING PLANT(Molot) Mr. Sergey Urzhumtsev, has many improvements such as: Collapsible Buttstock with Buffer and Buffer Sping, Metal Magazine Well, Picatinny M1913 instead of Rear Sight, Improved Trigger System, Improved Slide Stop Button, additional metal Barrel Handguard, Improved Gas block, Removable Left Bolt carrier Handle, Safety Button. 4 Picture of Ilyn with his Vepr-12 for IPSC. I have to admit, you are correct. I do have inverted left side fire controls But mine is the "Only" S12 in the world with a ported gas system. The "Bug Out" group. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
racolqui 19 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 With them weapons, another persons help to operate two of them and plenty of ammo. Why the hell would you bug out unless a whole Brigade was coming was coming at you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
macaholic 5 Posted June 10, 2012 Report Share Posted June 10, 2012 I guess I'll say it again. F%CKING REPEAL 922r ALREADY!!!!!!!! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 With them weapons, another persons help to operate two of them and plenty of ammo. Why the hell would you bug out unless a whole Brigade was coming was coming at you. So I don't have to shoot up asll my ammo. LOL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 So uh, where is that mud video Armor??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sian 14 Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 wait, guys, GUYS.. Does this mean we'll actually get factory russian hi-caps in the country now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HART1 92 Posted June 11, 2012 Report Share Posted June 11, 2012 So uh, where is that mud video Armor??? Haven't had time to get to the pond yet, but soon. I'll post a video on my thread on UZITALK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted June 12, 2012 Report Share Posted June 12, 2012 Well, I'll tell you something from my experience, when you pull it out of the water, drain it well, if there is any water in the gas block when you fire, it will seize up... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 wait, guys, GUYS.. Does this mean we'll actually get factory russian hi-caps in the country now? The Russian magwell 8's are already being sold here by a vendor of this forum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 I think it's funny how people usually want something just because they can't have it, or have been told they are not allowed to have it. (922r...) I'm sure there are some here who can verify this, so it won't come as a surprise to them, but I have it from friends I've spoken to in the UK that some of those "coveted" features on the 030 style guns and others, which we have only recently been able to import here, they have actually been removing from their competition guns to get better reliability and ease of operation. Among these features.... magwells AND the Russian LRBHO.... funny. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Not everyone is trying to build a competition/race gun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 (edited) "coveted" features on the 030 style guns and others, which we have only recently been able to import here, they have actually been removing from their competition guns to get better reliability and ease of operation. Among these features.... magwells AND the Russian LRBHO.... funny. German, Czech dan Russian Guys who win IPCS European competiotions maybe forget to remove these options from their Vepr-12 and Saigas . Lets see Siagas/Veprs of the winers on Shotgun World Championship in Hungary in September. Edited June 13, 2012 by PapaZorro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The_Caged_Bird 474 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Not everyone is trying to build a competition/race gun. True, BUT, guys like me like to build/modify them so that they run the best in the worst conditions. I'm not going to throw everything that is on a race gun on my gun, that makes no sense, but I WILL try to do every bit of reliability mods that they do! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOB A. BOOEY 45 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 http://www.guns.com/...-ipsc-8427.html Yeah thats pretty awesome. Wheres the safety? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 r and r targets impressed me with this type of crap already. Its not a hard concept to make a box fed shotgun similar to an ar15. I know Europe and Russia are mastering these race saiga 12s but in America we have been customizing these things all the same without the blueprints. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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