kevin.rose0@gmail.com 62 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Forbes: Unsafe Gun Safes Can Be Opened By A Three-Year Old With video of a 3y/o boy opening said gun safes. The more detailed article and more videos: http://www.thesidebar.org/insecurity/?p=793 It's probably not going to be a good day when your security hardware company gets a call from Marc Weber Tobias... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedChallenger 149 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Thanks for posting, that is some good info on those gun safes. I will be passing this on to others. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt1219 176 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Gun safes are seriously that easy to open? I may try this at the gun store to conferm it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 I knew there was a reason for me not owning one of those...... "Cheap" is the operative word. You get what you pay for. I'm not a fan of electronic combination safes, either. A mechanical combination safe with at least 100 ACCURATE number settings and at least 6 or more deadbolts, with the safe in an appropriate area are necessary for semi-security. ANY safe can be broken into. There is nothing "safe" about a box that can be lifted or carried (especially by a three year old). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
patriot 7,197 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 S&G locks are the way to go, and no thin sheet metal walls . Those stack on safes, even the big ones are garbage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1mile50 102 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 (edited) For quick access, I own and use 2 R&D Handgun Boxes. They are fabricated from 3/16" plate, the access doors are 1/4" plate, with 3/8" keystock welded to the body for the jam. The bolt is 1 1/2" wide, 1/2" thick and hardened. They weigh 25# each and the box they each came in said "Caution, if you drop me I will break your foot!" Unfortunately, R&D went out of business some time back. Puzzling, too. Edited July 28, 2012 by 1mile50 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ForPointSix 0 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 You can tell people all day long "Do not go cheap with a gun safe". But rarely does anyone listen. I am very happy with my safe. It's also nice having the peace of mind that when my Niece and Nephew visit they will not get into my Liberty FatBoy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 After spending a lot of time before buying, I cant help but think most of the gun safes on the market couldn't be defeated fairly quick and easy with a sawzall. Most of the attention is made on the door, fire rating has a lot to do with layers of drywall, MOST of the big safes have fairly thin sheetmetal construction that I feel the top,sides, back could be sectioned off with a sawzall and a good metal blade. I've seen a lot of video showing perps trying to pry the door open, I haven't found one showing someone with a metal cutting blade cutting one open and just reaching down inside for the contents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 I'm not sure about what patriot said. I have a large Stack-On. It's pretty damn heavy duty. I recently installed wiring in it for lights and the sheet metal isn't plain sheet metal. It was hell on drills and you'd certainly wear out sawzall blades in a hurry. I broke several good drill bits before I got the hole big enough for the end of the rope light. I don't buy cheap drill bits. That metal is tough. Of course, I agree that ANY safe can be defeated and that where installation is matters a great deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kevin.rose0@gmail.com 62 Posted July 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 I'll say it again: If a company won't submit their "gun safe" to the UL and get at least a RSC rating it's not to be trusted for anything other then young children. And obviously some of them can't even get that part right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rs51085 136 Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Yeoldetool I agree with you. I have a 28 gun stack on safe and it is built like a tank. 3/16 walls bolted to the floor with 6 bolts on the door. It is built in so I don't think it is going anywhere. Anyone that trusts a safe that costs less than 200 dollars like the ones in the article isnt thinking straight in my opinion. Is my stack on as good as a browning safe, probably not. is a three year old getting in to it, definitely not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Thank you for this, my brother just bought one like this, as he has a daughter on the way I vote for a STICKY on this! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 This video is very informative. It also has lots of cussing, so be warned about where you play it. Many pistol safes can be opened by dropping or slamming them so that the weight of the latch or bolt will retract it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Yeah slamming or dropping mine is not advisable. I found out that while my locking mechanism moves easily when I have it open, it moves to the locking position when gravity has it's way. And yes I'm not a big fan of combo safes either. Especially electronic ones. I've heard the electronic ones are actually the easiest to get into for thieves. I'm not gonna go into how as I wish to deny another potential thief out there that knowledge but it's actually kinna easy. If you're an outside the box thinker. Best thing to ask when buying one is how would I get into it if I were bent on stealing it's contents and how long would it take me? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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