firegs 0 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Hey there! Looking to do a custom Saiga 12 build. Beyond the Saiga itself, I believe I have all the parts I need. Anything missing that you all can see? BASIC CONVERSION KIT SAIGA 12 TRIGGER KIT (BLACK, CAROLINA SS) CHARGING HANDLE-TROMIX EXTENDED BOLT ON HANDLE SAIGA 12 TROMIX "MONSTER" BRAKE JTE Performance Power Hammer Spring /Main Spring for All Saiga and AK variants SAIGA 12RELIABILITY KIT (DPH ARMS) BOLT HOLD OPEN LEVER KIT SAIGA 12-MODIFIED EXTENDED MAGAZINE RELEASE SAIGA 12 JTE MAGAZINE GUIDE "ROCK-N-LOCK" RECOIL BUFFER-SAIGA SHOTGUNS, RIFLES, AK47 I plan to use a Chaos Titan quad rail with HK sights. Only thing I haven't made up my mind about is a stock system yet. Beyond the stock, is there anything I'm missing? Anything that conflicts? I'm new to the Saiga - I'm a big time HK guy and this all seems a bit foreign to me. Any help you can lend would be fantastic. Sam Edited July 30, 2012 by firegs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 YES, read all the stickies. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
supertex 242 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 shoot it before any modifications Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt1219 176 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I hope you didnt buy all that yet. (I got excited too and madr that mistake) First thing you should do is see how it runs, buy some low brass walmart crap and see if they fte. The reason i say that is you may not need everything you have on the list, and if your gun isnt converted uet its still under warenty if its not running right. If your gun runs great then check out tje conversion videos at carolinashootersupply.com. they were very helpful when i did mine As for the rock and lock, i have it on my gun and honestly i dont think it helps much at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firegs 0 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) Sounds good - Buy the gun first and run it to make sure it works. That's step one. Next step, IF it FTE, what next? Send it back? What would I try to do to fix the FTE? Is that what the reliability kit is for? Even if it runs right, could it hurt to use it? Next, nix the rock n lock. Got it. Then, for 922 compliance, does my buttstock (TBD), pistol grip, forearm (Chaos Titan), Mag body, follower and floorplate count for 922? (thinking like a US made drum). After that, I think I'm good to go? Edited July 30, 2012 by firegs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firegs 0 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 And if I'm reading the stickies right, it looks like there is welding involved with the conversion process. Is that true? My smith cannot do welding. If theres a method of converting without welding, any points in that direction would be great (part wise). Sam Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Bretired 19 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 You don't have to weld anything except those HK sights. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YOT 3,743 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 HK sights are a want, not a need. No, there isn't any welding involved for a conversion unless you want to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firegs 0 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Oh, perfect then! I'm actually going to have Jeff Walters from Parabellum Combat Systems do the conversion for me. Just got a Saiga for $599, and a Chaos Rail w/ sights for $320. Booya! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
renegade331 31 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 I wouldn't get the low brass reliability kit. You would be better off to remove your gas block and open up your ports with a 3/32 drill bit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
firegs 0 Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Oh, one other thing. Do I *NEED* to replace the trigger? According to my 922 count, i don't need it for compliance. Beyond that - will the stock trigger work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
leadsled 40 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Get the FCG retaining plate and modified bolt hold open lever for convenience when you have to tear it down. I like having my bolt polished, as I can load full mags on a closed bolt and it feels better. I have the RocknLock and I find it helps loading a mag. I don'y know if the original trigger will work without major mods. Do the US trigger group because that's three easy parts for compliance. My goal was compliance without magazines....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FOURBUX 22 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 No welding needed for the conversion - or the Chaos HK sights - there are other HK sights that require welding, but the Chaos HK sights were made to fit on any of the Chaos top rails. I have both the Titan and the HK sights, and love both. Do take note - I've had to do quite a bit of work on my Chaos Titan to get it to fit properly. It is CRITICAL that you use loctite on ALL of the screws on your Chaos rail BEFORE YOU FIRE with the rail mounted. This includes the structural screws that hold the rail together, not just the screws to mount it. Also, take note of the set screw at the rear of the handguard on the bottom that pushes against your barrel. This will help further stabilize the rail during firing. I broke four screws trying to figure out what was going on with the mounting of the rail until I figured out that set screw really helps. Be weary of "reliability kits." They are a blanket solution that isn't perfect for every gun. Ensure your gun has the appropriate amount of gas ports for your model year and that they are they correct size. I'd also recommend seeing if you can get the weapon to cycle successfully in factory condition before you have your gunsmith convert it - that way you know it works before you mess with it and you know it won't be an issue with your gunsmith if it won't cycle after the conversion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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