shawn27 2 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 My Saiga 12 doesn't eject low brass rounds. I have been reading up on it, and I want to send it or bring it to someone who will fix it. If I can't get it to. run reliably, I'm going to sell it and buy a winchester super-x or a tactical pump. Any help on where to send it would be appreciated. I don't want to send SOME of thecgun anywhere. I put an auto plug in it and a tapco piston as well. The gun likes the md arms 20 round much better than the promag 12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fitty% 808 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Well the reason it likes the 20 more then the 12, I'm guessing your getting FTE's with the 12, its because the 20 is putting more pressure on the rounds ejecting aiding the S12 to eject and feed better. The S12 wasn't made to run low brass anyway so getting some S12's to do so takes a little work. Why send it out when you could do it yourself? I omly have one arm and the only thing I had done to mine that I didnt do myself was having the bolt and carrier polished. You started out good by getting the Auto Plug so now just find out how many gas ports your gun has. That will give you a good idea on what you will need to do to get it to run the cheap stuff reliably. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 (edited) I recently worked on a co-workers S12, and found a gas port hidden. Did the gas block mod, open up the ports, mild bolt re-profile, and now it runs like a raped ape. Edited July 31, 2012 by Jetmech Quote Link to post Share on other sites
45Bretired 19 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 Don't be so quick to give up. Nothing about these guns is rocket science. There is all the info you could ever need on this forum. Read up and don't be afraid to tear it apart you'll be glad you did it'll pay off later. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TORKIT 20 Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 fix it yourself, i did. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ultra7350 21 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 My S12 was under gassed when it was new. I opened up the ports and now it will shoot everything. I will buy your S12 if u want to sell it cheap and I will make sure to get it to shoot low brass. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOB A. BOOEY 45 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) Forget polishing anything. Get rid of the autoplug and get a MD or DPH plug with a CSS puck and reduced recoil spring. If these steps dont work you should see about having your ports enlarged. Polishing might help but it sounds like you are having gas issues Don't sell it dude these problems can? easily be fixed. Edited July 31, 2012 by BOB A. BOOEY 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Thank you all for getting back to me. I do a lot of mechanical work, but I hate working on things with small parts. I will get another look at the gas port mod stuff when I get home from work in a week or so. I budgeted around $400 to put it in good working order, so I have a little cash to use. I think the promag 12 round feed lips are also a little narrower than the 20. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Forget polishing anything. Get rid of the autoplug and get a MD or DPH plug with a CSS puck and reduced recoil spring. If these steps dont work you should see about having your ports enlarged. Polishing might help but it sounds like you are having gas issues Don't sell it dude these problems can? easily be fixed. The CSS puck and spring is only a band aid and doesnt solve the real problem of the gun being under gassed. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
FOURBUX 22 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 So you've bought it, and you're going to pour money into it to get it to "work," only so you can sell it to buy a boring ass pump shotgun that doesn't even have a 20 round drum? Well, it's your gun. If you're going to do it right, ditch the Tapco puck. Don't put that lower power spring in, it's trash. Check your ports and see how many you have and make sure they're opened to the width they should be for your model year/number of ports. Most gunsmiths should be able to take the gun and do what you need with it, but you might be better served to just sell it on here for a fair price and take your $400 and put it towards your new tactical pump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Live2Ride 12 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 (edited) I have had my S12 now for 4 months. I have put about 2000 rounds through it. no gas mods, no fancy springs, no polishing, and I even learned how to load on a closed bolt (thanks whoever posted that vid). I did check my gas ports and they are good, I also make sure they are clear every now and then. with all that said, this last weekend we went shootin', I was adjusting the gas from 1 to 2 and somewhere along the way I kind of forgot about it. My friend was shooting clays with clay loads, and I asked to see it when he was done, I was amazed to find it on setting 1 and no FTE. for 6 hours we shot and I had one FTF, which was probably a good thing, it looked like the shell got tore up on the brass part, kind of odd and I have never had it happen before. She will take anything she is fed and loves it! How many rounds have you shot out of it? When I got mine, I blew about 500 rounds of buck and slugs to loosen everything up, since then, shes a dream. Edited July 31, 2012 by Live2Ride Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 I shot about 500 rounds through it. It doesn't always like high brass either. It does shoot better dirty. Here's the thing: its a defensive tool if it will ever run right...my mossberg pump, which works ALL the time, fills that role now. If the saiga doesn't run, all the time, its a boat anchor. I'm willing to either pay to make it work, or try to make it work, but I have poured a ton of money into a few different weapons and gotten burned before. If, after a reasonable amount of time and money, it won't run, I'm willing to cut my losses Andy something different. Bottom line: it HAS to work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KennyFSU 249 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Forget polishing anything. Get rid of the autoplug and get a MD or DPH plug with a CSS puck and reduced recoil spring. If these steps dont work you should see about having your ports enlarged. Polishing might help but it sounds like you are having gas issues Don't sell it dude these problems can? easily be fixed. What's wrong with the autoplug and why are the MD and DPH plug better? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vulcan16 971 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Post up where you live and someone close by might be able to help you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Sometimes it won't run high brass well either. It does seem to shoot better dirty than clean also. I would rather pay someone to fix it; I don't even pretend to be a gunsmith... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted July 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Sometimes it won't run high brass well either. It does seem to shoot better dirty than clean also. I would rather pay someone to fix it; I don't even pretend to be a gunsmith... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Broox 7 Posted July 31, 2012 Report Share Posted July 31, 2012 Three things you need to do before anything else: 1. Switch to Federal Ammo 2. Clean and lube the crap out of it 3. Cycle a few hundred times by hand to break in Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris2000ss 2 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I must have gotten lucky with my S12. Ive had it for a month now (bought it new) pulled it straight from the box and ran a little over 500rds through her and not one FTF or FTE and i even ran shitty various types of low brass in it .. not one issue. Did they maybe change somthing on the newer S12 ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I have detail cleaned and lube it several times. I'm looking for a permanent fix. Does anyone know a saiga specialist who will fix it in a timely manner and ship it back fully functional? I may fiddle with it when I get back, but I prefer to hire specialist work... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewie212 37 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Tons of specialists on this forum. Check out the business members if you don't want to fiddle with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Here's the plan: I'm going to take her down and check the gas ports, order the CSS low brass reliability kit, polish the wear points on the bolt and hammer, smooth everything up a little and drop a LRBHO in it. If I need to open up the gas ports, I will... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Goose 95 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Take the Promag apart, with out the follower and spring in the mag, see if a shell fits inside without touching the sides. I have two Promags and they both pinched the hell out of the rounds at the top. If that's clear than do something else you read above or tune your auto plug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Live2Ride 12 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 How many rounds have you shot through it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fitty% 808 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Here's the plan: I'm going to take her down and check the gas ports, order the CSS low brass reliability kit, polish the wear points on the bolt and hammer, smooth everything up a little and drop a LRBHO in it. If I need to open up the gas ports, I will... Dont put the low brass spring in.....I made that mistake and after a 12 round drum I put the full power spring back in. It just runs better with it and also sometimes with drums the low brass spring isnt strong enough to push the first few shells into battery from a drum. You can try a LRBHO if you want I guess lol. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lewie212 37 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Here's the plan: I'm going to take her down and check the gas ports, order the CSS low brass reliability kit, polish the wear points on the bolt and hammer, smooth everything up a little and drop a LRBHO in it. If I need to open up the gas ports, I will... Dont put the low brass spring in.....I made that mistake and after a 12 round drum I put the full power spring back in. It just runs better with it and also sometimes with drums the low brass spring isnt strong enough to push the first few shells into battery from a drum. You can try a LRBHO if you want I guess lol. I would stay away from the low brass spring too. Run the factory one. Just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
OBITUARY 12 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 Is it converted? Does the magazine it came with work correctly ? Did it work correctly before you added/ changed those parts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 It isn't converted; I live in CT and I can't put a pistol grip stock on it legally. Besides, it seemed like a lot of work to fix something that wasn't broken. The trigger location and pull are acceptable. I put 200-300 rounds through it. It isn't fun to shoot when it jams every other round.If it worked I would shoot it a LOT more. I would gladly throw $1500+ at a high cap semi 12 gauge that just ran and didn't need to be messed with. I am very disappointed in this weapon and in the ak platform in general if they are all this finicky. My 3 ARs just run... It isn't converted; I live in CT and I can't put a pistol grip stock on it legally. Besides, it seemed like a lot of work to fix something that wasn't broken. The trigger location and pull are acceptable. I put 200-300 rounds through it. It isn't fun to shoot when it jams every other round.If it worked I would shoot it a LOT more. I would gladly throw $1500+ at a high cap semi 12 gauge that just ran and didn't need to be messed with. I am very disappointed in this weapon and in the ak platform in general if they are all this finicky. My 3 ARs just run... Sorry about the double post... I never used the factory mag; my pump holds more rounds that the original mag... it never worked properly. Thank you all for helping; I appreciate it... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KennyFSU 249 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 The S12 was never meant to run on low brass bird shot; it's a combat gun so if you use high brass (buck/slug) it will run like a sewing machine. Good luck and don't get discouraged. Before my S12 I had a Mossberg 930 and like the Saiga a lot more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted August 1, 2012 Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 OP, you obviously have no passion for this platform and you haven't read much on the forum about Russian tolerances (or lack thereof) variance, fine tuning the weapon to run flawlessly, etc. So sell it and purchase your Mossberg, Benelli, or whatever. You don't deserve this gun nor do you understand why it's awesome. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shawn27 2 Posted August 1, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2012 I really like the gun; but it is jamming even with max dram loads. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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