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That is not abnormal. Just takes some TLC and it will be something you can bet your life on. I have no background in machinery nor engineering. I'm not a gear head. I just like guns and I did everything except polish and profile myself. You have to read the threads on this forum and be willing to take your time and do the work/fun. Listen to the old timers (not Bob A. Booey) and do it right and you won't be disappointed.

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I shot about 500 rounds through it. It doesn't always like high brass either. It does shoot better dirty.

Here's the thing: its a defensive tool if it will ever run right...my mossberg pump, which works ALL the time, fills that role now. If the saiga doesn't run, all the time, its a boat anchor. I'm willing to either pay to make it work, or try to make it work, but I have poured a ton of money into a few different weapons and gotten burned before. If, after a reasonable amount of time and money, it won't run, I'm willing to cut my losses Andy something different. Bottom line: it HAS to work.

Here's the plan: I'm going to take her down and check the gas ports, order the CSS low brass reliability kit, polish the wear points on the bolt and hammer, smooth everything up a little and drop a LRBHO in it. If I need to open up the gas ports, I will...

 

 

Shawn, many of us have the S-12 as a defensive gun because of it's sheer firepower.

As such, it's a given that it needs to be reliable in that role.

 

It's been a while since I've been to the range with the shotguns, but last time I was out there,

my S-12 ran perfectly for hundreds of rounds, it was my pump gun that jammed with fewer rounds.

Even at that, my buddy mis-loaded the pump, it wasn't really the gun's fault.

 

Here's what you do:

 

First, put the gun back in stock configuration. Stock gas plug, stock puck, spring, everything.

No add-on rails, nothing. Just the stock gun.

 

Second, get the biggest hammer you have and smash that Promag magazine, it sucks.

I have Promag 7.62 mags and they work great. Promag's S-12 mags have a history of suckage.

 

Use, the stock mag or the drum to troubleshoot. I have SGM mags and they also work well,

(though I would avoid the SGM 12 round stick mag).

 

Third, buy a fresh box of Federal (NOT Winchester or Remington) Wally World bulk ammo to

test with. Get the 100 round box that goes for like $22.

 

Fourth, use the #2 gas setting. Tighten the gas plug all the way in, then back out to #2.

If you have FTE's, then back out one full turn to #2 again.

 

If that doesn't give you a working gun with no FTEs (or very few), then you are looking at pulling

the gas block and opening up the gas ports. Don't go crazy on that, find the big thread and read it.

 

Once you have a working gun, then put your Auto plug in there.

Then you'll have your working S-12 you want.

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Sparticus,

thank you!! Good troubleshooting technique!! Then add one part at a time till it stops running...

The md arms drum works a LOT better than the promag. I want to mic the opening on the md arms vs the promag....

I should be home next week or the week after, and I'm.looking foreword to messing with it.

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Fuck it! Sell it. Put it up online and note the problems with it. You will get your initial purchase back out of it now during the elections. Someone will take the time to have it done right or do it themselves. No need to convince you they are the shit if you're looking at getting a superX trap gun.

 

It would be better off in a state that wasn't regulated like yours.

 

Don't piss away any more money on it just to sell it. The new owner won't want the crap you're putting on it anyway.

 

Good luck!

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Stryker,

the super-x actually works from the factory...I didn't buy the Saiga to have an erector set that I could take to the range; I bought it to have a defensive tool with the most firepower you can legally own.

I guess a gun that jams every third round with high brass is acceptable to you. It isn't to me...How could I be "sold" on a weapon that I have not had a jam free mag through yet?

I'm here trying to get ideas on how to fix it, and maybe vent a little. I didn't pass the gun control laws in my state, and if I wasn't divorced with kids I would be out of there. Maybe you would choose your toys over your kids.

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Ok. no css low brass kit. whose plug should I use? Gonna check out the porting next weekend, then throw a polish on the action and wear parts, mic the promag and remove material there if necessary, remove the aftermarket stuff from it and get it to run.

@king of the hill.... Yes they are. and my kids do help me shoot. I don't get why people like you need to make stupid, not germane comments to a guy looking for some help. Why the resentment towards someone who is having problems with something they clearly want fixed and is looking for advice? This wasn't a great purchase on my part, and I bought it when everyone thought they were gonna be banned. I want to keep the gun, but I want it to work. according to you and others of your ilk, there is something wrong with me because I want a functional weapon.

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Shawn, grow some thicker skin and keep tinkering. NO GUN is 100% reliable due to variables like ammo/cleanliness/lube but part of the fun is experimentation. None of my guns are stock, I enjoy changing trigger springs and sanding certain parts and the S12 is no different. Good luck again and don't give up. Once you get your gun operating like you want it to it will become your most favorite thing to shoot.

 

Also, you're getting FTEs on high brass buck shot?

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Shawn-- No harm meant, just having a little fun. Good luck with your gun. Not many work perfectly from the factory(mine did not). All of the info you need is already here, and all of your comments and questions have been said or asked before(many,many times.*it gets old*). We have fun here. Now get over it. :)

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I didn't run buck shot through it, I ran really heavy #2 steel goose loads through it; and they seemed to do better, but still not perfect.

@King of the hill--sorry I jumped like I did. My bad...sometimes my sense of humor needs a slap to get it started.

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When I first got mine, the first 400 rounds were 00 and slugs only, didn't try anything else.

 

then I started using some other lighter loads at setting 2, converted, and now she will spit out anything I put through, even the light clay target loads from last weekend.

 

I had a blast shooting clays, if I missed one, I still had 9 tries to get it.

When on target, I was shooting pieces of the hit clay 4 times before it would hit the ground.

 

get her back to stock and use only heavy loads for a while.

I can't comment on the AGP mag, other than the SGM I have works flawlessly.

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I didn't run buck shot through it, I ran really heavy #2 steel goose loads through it; and they seemed to do better, but still not perfect.

@King of the hill--sorry I jumped like I did. My bad...sometimes my sense of humor needs a slap to get it started

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Where are you, Shawn? Maybe someone could actually help you, by showing you, what you need to do. Perhaps you need to seeks the help of one of the forum vendors ($$$$). We don't know what your mechanical aptitude or skill level is, what you have for tools, etc. We DO know that a basis S12 that you pay $600 for turns into a gun worth much, much more with some elbow grease and basic skills. Or even something much more than that with more dollars.

 

Your problems aren't unique, and like Dad already said, the information is already here for you to read.

 

My only suggestion is for you not to spend alot on band-aids, trying to fix what ain't broke. Factory "everything" until it runs right.

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I'm going to put it back to stock (if I can find the parys-i moved and most everything is still packed.

While its apart, I'm going to detail clean it and polish any parts that show friction parts. I will do some reading first...

I will get a look at the gas ports too. If the need work, I'll do that while its open.

Since I can't get my handss on it till I get back home, I'm trying to figure of exactly what my plan is for it.

 

 

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Stryker,

the super-x actually works from the factory...I didn't buy the Saiga to have an erector set that I could take to the range; I bought it to have a defensive tool with the most firepower you can legally own.

I guess a gun that jams every third round with high brass is acceptable to you. It isn't to me...How could I be "sold" on a weapon that I have not had a jam free mag through yet?

I'm here trying to get ideas on how to fix it, and maybe vent a little. I didn't pass the gun control laws in my state, and if I wasn't divorced with kids I would be out of there. Maybe you would choose your toys over your kids.

 

The Super x 1 was a great shotgun. The Super x 2 is much different. It's more like a cheap knock off of a browning. All of the super x shotguns are miles away from the Saiga. In case you didn't know, the s12 is modified to be legal for import over here. The trigger is not as good since the geometry was changed quite a bit to make it work. Moving it forward makes a night and day difference. I had no problems with my original configuration saiga as did a majority of the people who own them. I wanted to bring it back to it's original configuration. Some of the models that came in were called Vodka specials and had problems with the gas ports.

 

Did your shotgun run right before you took a perfectly good piston and an inferior US made one on there? Did you even check your ports before putting on a different plug? Did you even break your weapon in?

 

Tac47 built my shotgun and it's simply amazing. Thanks to this forum, I have helped my friends who had problems with their stock saigas. The only tool I needed was a drill and a bit to fix the gas problem. It was a vodka special that happened to a few of the more recently imported shotguns.

 

Misfires are unacceptable on any of my weapons. The first thing I would do is educate myself on the weapon and try to do it myself. If not, I have two gunsmiths that I have had a good relationship with over the years. If I want something built, I take it to a specialist.

 

The thing is, if you are selling it, nobody cares if it runs or not. You will just be loosing more money and it wont be set up the way the new buyer will want it. Kinda like putting a bunch of stuff into a truck like rims and tinted windows. You wont recover the work.

 

Just trying to give you a clue.

 

Furthermore, don't ever bring family into this type of stuff. I didn't. If you brought that shit up in person I would be obligated to skull fuck you.

 

Good luck to you. You will need it.

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Furthermore, don't ever bring family into this type of stuff. I didn't. If you brought that shit up in person I would be obligated to skull fuck you.

 

 

 

what.gifhaha.gifhaha.gifhaha.gif Good one!

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I'm in woodcock, Ct. Unfortunately.

I'm a pretty good auto mechanic. I just don't like things with small parts.

Thank you for the assistance; I really want the gun to work and I do really like the concept.

 

 

 

 

Stryker,

how do you figure I brought family into this. I live where I do because I choose my kids over my toys. Do I hate it? yep. And will you buy me a drink before skull f***ing me? I do believe the Irish translation of your name is Bag O' Douche...

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I'm a pretty good auto mechanic. I just don't like things with small parts.

 

The only thing that will really make you want to give up at first is putting the BHO spring back in right.

Just work on it a few times and you'll see it's like 'falling off a log' easy to work on.

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Update: I took the gun apart; it is a 3 port, and all ports pass the paper clip test. I DID, however, find a HUGE chunk of unburned powder or plastic or something blocking the entire gas port hole...all 3. I put the stock puck back in, and cleaned the crap out of the tube. I also took some sandpaper and polished the bolt; there are DIVOTS in that thing...I went pretty light on the polish; i figure i can take more metal off pretty easily, but its hard to put back on. My 3 year old daughter helped me sand it, i have a picture of her working on the disassembled Saiga. It doesn't get better than that.

I also made sure the plug lined up with the actual gas ports when i reassembled it.

I haven't been able to shoot it yet, and i'm taking my babies to the range with their .22s tomorrow, so the saiga wont be going along...but maybe during the week.

I want to thank everyone for the helpful tips and advice...I neglected to clean the gas tube and that was a lot of the issue i imagine. And i want to apologize for whining earlier. I was away from home, and the gun was kind of stuck in my head and i couldn't fix it, so...

And stryker, I was an a** I'm sorry. I HATE living here; i have a nice piece of property in ME, and I CAN't live there if i want to see my kids regularly. I make that choice every day. But i was out of line.

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"Awesome.". Just kidding you. I hope it functions flawlessly for you. Don't get frustrated if you find you still have to do some fine tuning. You'll know more after you shoot her. Kudos for taking the kids to the range. I dont have children by I get my nephews involved every chance I get. Have fun!

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