chris2000ss 2 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 anyone done this for the hell of it ? I know its only a inch. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOB A. BOOEY 45 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 Why would you? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lokmeup 30 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 IT IS A STICKY: http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/topic/78137-chop-crown-and-re-thread-a-saiga-barrel-with-no-lathe/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have done a few and feel that it is worth it. Every little inch counts.... even if it is an inch less. Shorter and lighter is faster.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 (edited) I have done a few and feel that it is worth it. Every little inch counts.... even if it is an inch less. Shorter and lighter is faster.... Those guys with little one (see his avatar) always say every inch counts. Sorry Evl I had to be that guy it was to good of a setup I had to knock it out of the park. LOL PLUS you get to watch this new sig. Edited August 5, 2012 by SCHULTZE 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I have done a few and feel that it is worth it. Every little inch counts.... even if it is an inch less. Shorter and lighter is faster.... Those guys with little one (see his avatar) always say every inch counts. Sorry Evl I had to be that guy it was to good of a setup I had to knock it out of the park. LOL My little thing will fit in some tight spots 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 you live in Pa. which will let you have a short barrel shotgun (SBS), it isn't even worth the effort to take a inch off. just form 1 it and cut it down to 13 inches, with that length you won't have to screw around with making the gas port larger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 you live in Pa. which will let you have a short barrel shotgun (SBS), it isn't even worth the effort to take a inch off. just form 1 it and cut it down to 13 inches, with that length you won't have to screw around with making the gas port larger. cut it down to 13 inches, with that length you won't have to screw around with making the gas port larger.......Do What? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Matthew Hopkins 1,065 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 cut it down to 13 inches, with that length you won't have to screw around with making the gas port larger.......Do what? what is that you don't understand? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 you live in Pa. which will let you have a short barrel shotgun (SBS), it isn't even worth the effort to take a inch off. just form 1 it and cut it down to 13 inches, with that length you won't have to screw around with making the gas port larger. cut it down to 13 inches, with that length you won't have to screw around with making the gas port larger.......Do What? I have to agree. These things are so 'individual' that I can't see cutting just any Saiga 12 down from 19 to 13" and it running fine without the need to compensate for the reduced dwell time, be it by increasing the port surface area or otherwise. It may work for some or many, but I doubt it will work for all. One S12 may be well beyond reliable and another may be on the ragged edge of barely being reliable, so it is unreasonable to expect them to run the same after reducing the dwell time about 60%. Please understand that this statement is about 'low brass' reliability. Besides, it is stupid-easy to add or increase ports if you have basic tools and some decent drill bits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramlake 98 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 (edited) After building a dozen or so 8" s12's for my personal collection I've only built 2 SBS's without relocating the gas system These are 14.5" length barrels and they did need work to cycle bulk pack WallMarx ammo Even cutting 1" usually creates the need to tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RcRyhtrLl8 Edited August 6, 2012 by RamLake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tialloydragon 1 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 I cut and rethreaded my barrel from 21 or 22 (whichever one is standard) inches down to 19" (because I wanted a margin of error if I fu@&ed up the threading.). My gas system works fine the way it is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted August 6, 2012 Report Share Posted August 6, 2012 It's not unusual to chop the barrel and then permanently affix a brake so the total barrel length is 18.25". Yeah, yeah, I know, by a licensed gunsmith. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TX-Zen 287 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 It's not unusual to chop the barrel and then permanently affix a brake so the total barrel length is 18.25". Yeah, yeah, I know, by a licensed gunsmith. That's what I did, I didn't care for 19" plus the brake Z 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chris2000ss 2 Posted August 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 After building a dozen or so 8" s12's for my personal collection I've only built 2 SBS's without relocating the gas system These are 14.5" length barrels and they did need work to cycle bulk pack WallMarx ammo Even cutting 1" usually creates the need to tune if thats the case then im not touching mine for a gain of one inch cause it has eatin over 500rds rounds in two months that have stuffed into her so far with out one issue straight out of the box..even cheap wally world stuff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 After building a dozen or so 8" s12's for my personal collection I've only built 2 SBS's without relocating the gas system These are 14.5" length barrels and they did need work to cycle bulk pack WallMarx ammo Even cutting 1" usually creates the need to tune if thats the case then im not touching mine for a gain of one inch cause it has eatin over 500rds rounds in two months that have stuffed into her so far with out one issue straight out of the box..even cheap wally world stuff I can't speak for RamLake, but I think he was referring to a weapon that is bone stock. I have cut a few to 18" and they all ran the same afterwards. They had already passed my baseline test of 100 rounds of Winchester Universal in MD-20 drums. 1" is not make or break if the weapon has been properly refined already. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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