gofargogo 0 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 I've got a converted saiga, but I think I want to de-convert it and go featureless. The trigger has been moved forward, and feels really good, so I'd like to find some sort of monte-carlo style stock that is designed for that. Something like the Tygr-ver 3 dragunov here I couldn't find anything with the google. Any leads on where I could buy something? Or do I have to try to make it myself? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VaiFanatic90 360 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Look for a PSL stock, with some modification, it should be able to be made to fit the receiver. Going back to the stock setup is not something I'd recommend doing. You can also try a stock from a sporterized Mak-90. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gofargogo 0 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 Ah, I should say I'm in California, where thumbhole or skeleton stocks are just as 'bad' as a pistol grip. Ideally, I'd like some setup where a) I could remove my bullet-button, and so it looks more like a 'traditional' rifle (e.g. walnut monte carlo stock) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) I dunno about Cali, but I believe imported thumbhole stocks count just as a stock. If you add one its a stock + pistol grip. So, your best bet may be buying a VEPR or similar. EDIT: OK, from what I can figure, ATF considers thumbhole stocks as a 'sporting' feature. However many individual state laws consider them the same as pistol grips. A cursory examination indicates Cali is one of these. Edited September 24, 2012 by mostholycerebus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 would it not be cheaper/easier to sell it and buy a sporter saiga that hasnt been converted, then have some money left over to spend on ammo or a stock. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gofargogo 0 Posted September 24, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 eh..I thought about it, and that may be the way to go ultimately, but I figured I'd see if I could get this one the way I want it. If it's not possible I'll look into selling/trading for one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted September 24, 2012 Report Share Posted September 24, 2012 (edited) If you look up 'california featureless' you will find that any thumbhole stock is considered a 'feature'. Looking at a few vendors, they wont ship thumbhole VEPRs to cali. So, I assume this means that thumbhole stocks arent allowed in Cali unless you have the fixed mag. Atlantic has cali-legal AK's Edited September 24, 2012 by mostholycerebus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
logartist 6 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) +1 for selling and starting over. You now have increased the value of your rifle by convirting it. Put it on consignment and play with something else until it sells, which it definately will. Buy a new one. Do what you can to polish the crappy FCG up on the stock Saiga. Unfortunately, with the trigger in the forward position, there is no stock set that I know of that is Cali legal and will allow you to reach the trigger with anything close to a normal grip {while using detachable mags}. Your other option is a 'featureless' kydex grip fin. Either way, unless you move the trigger back or buy a new Saiga, you will never be able to legally own it in Cali without the bullet button and still have someplace to put your thumb. Edited September 27, 2012 by logartist Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted September 27, 2012 Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 (edited) If you look up 'california featureless' you will find that any thumbhole stock is considered a 'feature'. Looking at a few vendors, they wont ship thumbhole VEPRs to cali. So, I assume this means that thumbhole stocks arent allowed in Cali unless you have the fixed mag. Atlantic has cali-legal AK's You are partly correct. However just because a vendor does not sell a product to a certian state, does not implicate a law. For example : Sportsmans guide will not sell a tool for an AR15 to a CA resident....mind you there are a shit ton of AR's sold in CA legally! It is just a tool for the gun not a firearm! Some companies choose to not sell a product rather than research the laws and make $! They want the "play it safe" method instead of do it legal and make $.. Thumbhole stocks are perfectly legal in CA....I have a few! The gun and configuration are the difference. Op, I am not sure of your desire to put the gun back to "as imported" configuration! You can go featureless, by adding the gripfin or a similar product. That will give you the means to drop mags freely and use your previously owned high cap mags in the rifle.(assuming you owned the prior to 2000) otherwise in CA you wold be violating CA law! Be carefull! Edited September 27, 2012 by Bigtwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gofargogo 0 Posted September 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2012 Thanks all for such helpful answers. It sounds like I'm SOL if I wanted a monte carlo style stock with the forward trigger group. Ah well, I'll live with the bullet button and pistol grip. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dust feeder 2 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 how about a monster man grip or something like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mostholycerebus 415 Posted October 3, 2012 Report Share Posted October 3, 2012 You are partly correct. Hell, I may be completely wrong! Which means, as we know, onus is on the owner living in Cali to do his homework rather than rely on some forum 'gurus'. He's the one gonna do the time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 how about a monster man grip or something like that? MM grip is fine on a converted rifle. It then becomes "featureless" assuming you do not have a muzzle device(ie flash hider). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) You are partly correct. Hell, I may be completely wrong! Which means, as we know, onus is on the owner living in Cali to do his homework rather than rely on some forum 'gurus'. He's the one gonna do the time. You are correct! I was simply stating the just bacause a vendor does not sell to a particular(fucked up) state does not mean "illegal", just means the vendor does not want to look into a particular states laws. You are also correct it is up the the end user to learn/understand laws of the state they reside in! I do not give my advise as a Lawyer, just as an educated person in my home state. In Ca you can have many things some folks believe "illegal"...You just have to understand the laws. I know it is not easy, and do not bash folks that choose not to deal with Ca.(it is their right as a company), I just choose th do business with those that choose to understand the laws and believe it is every American's right to keep and bear arms! I DO NOT want to see any American firearm owner arrested in violation of the law, should they choose to read and understand it! Edited October 4, 2012 by Bigtwin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Agent Lemon 157 Posted October 4, 2012 Report Share Posted October 4, 2012 (edited) What? Just take the pistol grip off and call it a day. OR better yet, does it still have the 2 rear rivet holes on the sides of the receiver? Does it have the old trigger hole as well? Just get all the OEM parts from a conversion and move the trigger back. I dont understand what the problem is. P.S. make sure to put as much tapco and rails on it as possible when you're done. Edited October 4, 2012 by Agent Lemon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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