Spacehog 2,219 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Thought I would throw up a couple of pics and initial impressions of the PAP M92 AK Pistol It came very well packaged with foam insulation top and bottom. My pistol came with one mag and cleaning rod. J&G has a lower price but also only includes one 30 rd mag. Most other sites are offering them with two. The fit and finish is better on this pistol than any other factory AK finish that I have seen. The rear sight flips between 200M and 400M, which I found a little amusing. I hope someday I can hit something 400M away with a 10" pistol. The front sight also has an alternate flip up white dot sight apart from the standard iron sight. The hinged rail locks down solid. Maybe not quite as solid as my TWS rail. There is an ever so sight movement from side to side when trying hard to get it to move. A couple of things that alot have questioned: The receiver is not stamped out of thicker metal. It is 1mm according to my calipers. The thread under the muzzle cover is 26 mm. The muzzle protector is tack welded on in one spot. Should take about a second to remove. Like other yugos, this does not have a chromed lined barrel. The mag supplied with it looks brand new. The serial number is stamped on the receiver, bolt carrier, and bolt. The wood is in perfect shape, but is dirty and needs to be sealed. I will refinish it initially while I decide what furniture it will wear permanently. Overall it is a sweet little pistol and I prefer it over the dracos that I have handled. As has been said before, it is a perfect SBR candidate. If it had a chromed lined barrel it would be perfect. I will try to get some better pictures of some of the details on the gun., and will give a range report after shooting it this weekend. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joebanda1213 59 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 My lgs had one today almost bought it just dont know yet. They wanted $629. If only it didnt take so long to get a stamp I wouldnt have left with out it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Salt1219 176 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 nice gun, i have been considering getting one my self. if you don't mind, how much did you pay? there was one in a local shop for about 500. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,074 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) That thing is schweet, nice pick up. So many nice ways to outfit that toy. My lgs had one today almost bought it just dont know yet. They wanted $629. If only it didnt take so long to get a stamp I wouldnt have left with out it. Why do you need a stamp for a pistol? Buy it, send off the application and extortion fee, enjoy the pistol while the stamp processes. "...how much did you pay?" He implied he bought it from J&G, their price is $550.00. Edited September 26, 2012 by ChileRelleno 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,219 Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Salt, mine was $549. If I could have found one local for $500, I would have jumped on it in a heartbeat. I took a gamble. I missed out when I thought mini dracos were the ugliest thing since the Pontiac Aztec, and only $299. CAI may flood the market with these and drive the price way down, or Obama might be re-elected and enact further gun control legislation that will make importing these impossible. Either way I got it and am going to enjoy as a pistol until my tax stamp comes back and I can SBR it. Current market though 500 bucks is a good deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun12 205 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I have pretty much given up on getting a Draco for around $500 - $600 so i have been looking at these for a while now and am considering on getting one. Unfortunately J&G is sold out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sim_Player 1,939 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 (edited) Just noticed the BHO in the selector. That's a very clean looking gun. A chrome barrel is nice but... you won't notice a difference for about 4000+ rounds and only while your shooting at targets 400 meters away . I have a Davis .32, with no rifling left, that still hits the bullseye at 20 feet. Enjoy! Edited September 26, 2012 by Sim_Player 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I still owe some on the one i have in layaway. Got it locally for $649 after tax. Would have taken it home had I not just bought an SLR-107CR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I got mine from buds and it comes with 2 mags. I thought these had a chrome barrel, hum well that might be something I need to order and actually work out pretty well to have a spare barrel. anyone know where to pick one up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,219 Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 After doing some research before hand I knew they did not have a chromed line barrel. It wasn't a deal killer for me, I'll just take a little more care when cleaning. I haven't seen a whole lot out there for these yet other than the Krinkov build kits. Most of the sites with 26mm brakes are out of stock. Assuming because of the first batch of imports. I am confident that these will continue to sell well as long as CAI continues to import them. As more come in, the demand for parts and accessories will rise and manufacturers will fill the niche with products. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Nice looking pistol. Any data on how FPS at the muzzle? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted September 26, 2012 Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 I hope I can make a trade for the cone style muzzle brake. Someone on here has 2 extras, but wants a trade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spacehog 2,219 Posted September 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2012 Nice looking pistol. Any data on how FPS at the muzzle? Haven't shot mine yet but below is an excellent review and he shows chronograph results at the end http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAozjBiA_RU&feature=youtube_gdata_player 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jpanzer 1,265 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 It's a damn pity the way the ATF forces these guns to be neutered like this. That thing is screaming to be a SBR.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fallschirmjager667 729 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 any of you fucks ever wear out a chrome lined barrel in 7.62x39? i want pics of your smooth bores or all this is bullshit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 any of you fucks ever wear out a chrome lined barrel in 7.62x39? i want pics of your smooth bores or all this is bullshit screw you Hammer it was a valid question/concern! *defiles AK even more now* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 any of you fucks ever wear out a chrome lined barrel in 7.62x39? i want pics of your smooth bores or all this is bullshit screw you Hammer it was a valid question/concern! *defiles AK even more now* Valid question for sure. But, the barrel is so short cleaning it should be really easy. It's like a snub nose AK. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Syndicate 812 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 any of you fucks ever wear out a chrome lined barrel in 7.62x39? i want pics of your smooth bores or all this is bullshit screw you Hammer it was a valid question/concern! *defiles AK even more now* Valid question for sure. But, the barrel is so short cleaning it should be really easy. It's like a snub nose AK. Thanksfor the clarification Lib - r - Death Hammer gave me crap in chat about it lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun12 205 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 J&G has them 5.56x45 now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted September 28, 2012 Report Share Posted September 28, 2012 Think I may have to get one of the m85's! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
daughertym 15 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I like the M85 too. I hear it is easier to control than the M92 and I have plenty of 5.56 ammo. My only concern is the availabilty of 5.56 mags that fit. Any reviews of the M85 would be appreciated. I have only seen reviews on the M92. They are definately a cheaper way to go if you plan on SBR'ing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dayofruin 425 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I picked up my M92 yesterday and already installed the detent pin and booster from CNC Warrior. I cleaned up the trigger with a bit of polishing (a nice Tapco G2 double hook). It now has a smooth pull and crisp break. I'll post up a few pics in a bit. The M85... I got to look over, disassemble, play with the one at my LGS. I'm still Torn as whether or not to buy it. It looks to have had about a magazine ran through it from the factory. The dust cover edge by the ejection port is flared out a bit for some reason. And you can see little brass marks where the cases hit the dust cover. It looks like its throwing brass back instead of out and was adjusted. Fit and finish are on par with the M92 that I got. The M85 has a 1.5mm RPK receiver and front trunnion so it's a bit heavier. It comes with one plastic galil magazine. If I buy it, I'll buy steel surplus galil mags for it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Zombie thread!!! My wood looked like ass so I refinished it. Then added the 4-piece brake and ergo grip. Midwest Industries quad rail is on order. Vortex SPARC soon to follow. The ACE folder is waiting to be installed and the Form 1 will be on it's way this week. Edited February 26, 2013 by Darth Saigus Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sport Rescue 245 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Do y'all think its worth my .223? I've been offered brand new, unfired for my S.223. Still debating Quote Link to post Share on other sites
6500rpm 670 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 If the PAP version is on par with my Yugo M92, I'd take it over the Saiga and SBR it without hesitation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I dunno about value, but for usefullness, I would prefer one with a stock to one without. If you are going to SBR or pup it, then the PAP is pretty cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sport Rescue 245 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 I dunno about value, but for usefullness, I would prefer one with a stock to one without. If you are going to SBR or pup it, then the PAP is pretty cool. I will sbr for sure. It is made in Serbia. From what I understand a very quality build. Double stacked mags. Really didn't know much about them before today Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Well, here is my impression of the one I got to try a week or two ago. 1: Overall build quality very good. + I liked the quality of the wood foregrip, the PG was only OK. - Lousy trigger but no slap: long rough, stacking feel, vague break point. definitely would want to replace that. - safety looks and feels chintzy, kinda brings down the overall good looks -supplied plastic magazine fed reliably but felt very flimsy by plastic mag standards. 2: Features: Pretty good +flip up night sights are a big plus +easy remove thread blocker 3 shootability + recoil moderate as expected + Accurate at the pistol ranges, but very clumsy to aim, SBR would fix this for sure. + no malfunctions with any of the various mags. + noise & blast for the shooter was no big deal, being nearby was very loud and concussive. 4 unknowns ? is the bore concentric to the barrel - a supressor or some US thread type brakes might be desriable. ? Is it picky about ammo for accuracy? ? Does it stabilze bullets well? i.e. keyholing or potential baffle strikes. Edited February 26, 2013 by GunFun Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Just a mockup of course. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwelhse 1,285 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Just a mockup of course. M92 sbr 3.jpg If that doesn't answer Sport's question, I don't know what will.. I want one BAD now.. edit: Holy crap did I just get some sticker shock... Gonna be waiting for a while... Edited February 26, 2013 by Maxwelhse 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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