My Zastava PAP M92 Arrived Today

[XD45 7,124]

Does anyone know for sure if we can SBR the PAP's?

 

The process of "sbr-ing" a pistol or rifle, by definition, creates a new weapon, and the old pistol/rifle is gone. They have never given any indication of caring what donor weapon is used to build the sbr,

 

But if you're concerned, here's 2 sbrs built on M92 PAPs.

 

Edited February 28, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[sicktooth 8]

Why is that thing throwing flames all over the place like that?!?!

 

I should have been more specific. I want to know if we can attach an under folder without breaking the rules, I know a lot of people are concerned.

[XD45 7,124]

Why is that thing throwing flames all over the place like that?!?!

 

I should have been more specific. I want to know if we can attach an under folder without breaking the rules, I know a lot of people are concerned.

If you do a Form 1 and get your stamp you can use any kind of stock you want. If you put a stock on without the stamp, you definitely should be concerned. Although you can put on a folding stock if it's permanently closed.

 

Rifle calibers in short barrels are always flame throwers. A good flash suppressor can help with that.

[Eric Pate 478]

FYI, I did some digging and there is some concern about the location of the serial number apparently being too close to the rear trunnion, at least on the early import models. This could be problematic for SBR purposes.

 

Where are Yall's serials located?

Why is that thing throwing flames all over the place like that?!?!

 

Secondary incendiary effects are an added bonus!

[XD45 7,124]

FYI, I did some digging and there is some concern about the location of the serial number apparently being too close to the rear trunnion, at least on the early import models. This could be problematic for SBR purposes.

 

Where are Yall's serials located?

 

[XD45 7,124]

Did some jug tests today with the M92. I uploaded pictures to the gallery.

 

Very impressive results from the short barrel. Hornady SST gave a perfect mushroom and Wolf HP Copper Jacket gave devastating fragmentation.

 

http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?/gallery/album/1209-jug-testing/

[XD45 7,124]

And now with 50% more evil.

 

Midwest quad rail and magpul afg.

 

 

Stock still isn't mounted. Stamp should be here before Christmas.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[sean8642 77]

I really want to do this to mine, but have never messed with NFA stuff before.

 

Looks really good though.

[XD45 7,124]

I really want to do this to mine, but have never messed with NFA stuff before.

 

Looks really good though.

Well this is my first nfa. I never wanted to mess with it. Still don't. But I've wanted a quality compact AK for many years and finally decided what the hell.

 

I would never have bought an AK pistol except to make an sbr.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[Zebra 0]

hey darth

 

i have one of these and pistol grip screw is not budging. am i missing something here or do i need to let the liquid wrench work some more?

 

also did you just drill and tap the rear trunnion for the stock?

 

thanks in advance

[Lone Eagle 839]

Resurrection time!!!

 

I got mine last week. Did a little fluff-n-buff on the trigger/hammer/carrier. One thing I noticed was feeding HP. I have a bunch of 8M3 Effect I keep for HD duty. It would smash the tip pretty bad. I noticed my Saiga had an M4-style ramp cut back into the chamber. I went for the mild throat job with a pink Dremel ball rock. After about 30 minutes of that, I polished it mirror-bright with Harley Metal-brite. Now, I can ride the carrier down and it will feed HP flawless. I'll post a pic of the job in a bit.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Lone Eagle

[XD45 7,124]

I have noticed on HP it does ding the tip a little. But it feeds Hornady SST without damaging the polymer tip.

 

I look forward to seeing what you've done.

 

BTW, my stamp should be here next month and I'm starting to really get anxious.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[LuPiN8oR 333]

I.am.so.friggin.JEALOUS! Lol, i hope you get your stamp soon. I want to get one and sbr it but finances are a bit tied up atm...grr. lemme know how she performs w the stock added, your mockup is almost exactly what i wanna do to one.

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

I prefer mine in the original pistol form. I use it as a hip shooter.

I'm in the process of making a holster for it and am going to cary it as a sidearm.

Edited August 14, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH

[XD45 7,124]

I prefer mine in the original pistol form.

Not to be contrary, but the original form of the M92 was not a pistol.

 

What I'm doing is not converting it to something it wasn't, but restoring it to something it was. Minus the 3rd hole, plus a few "improvements".

 

 

And let me state again that the trunion is not drilled and tapped for the stock yet.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[Lone Eagle 839]

Here you go, Darth. One light ramp and polish job.

 

 

 

This was all it took, and now it eats what I feed it.

Edited August 14, 2013 by Lone Eagle

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

 

I prefer mine in the original pistol form.

Not to be contrary, but the original form of the M92 was not a pistol.

 

What I'm doing is not converting it to something it wasn't, but restoring it to something it was. Minus the 3rd hole, plus a few "improvements".

 

gallery_4831_950_96874.jpg

 

where did you get the folder stock ?

Edited August 15, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH

[XD45 7,124]

 

 

I prefer mine in the original pistol form.

Not to be contrary, but the original form of the M92 was not a pistol.

 

What I'm doing is not converting it to something it wasn't, but restoring it to something it was. Minus the 3rd hole, plus a few "improvements".

 

gallery_4831_950_96874.jpg

 

where did you get the folder stock ?

 

ACE 7.5" skeleton stock with ACE pushbutton folding mechanism, both from MAA.

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

I like how that one attaches from the back of the receiver.

Some I have seen attach in between the receiver and the grip which

I dont like because it lowers the grip too far down.

 

I have me a quad rail foreguard coming soon, I am going to put a folding vertical grip on mine

Edited August 15, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH

[XD45 7,124]

I like how that one attaches from the back of the receiver.

Some I have seen attach in between the receiver and the grip which

I dont like because it lowers the grip too far down.

 

I have me a quad rail foreguard coming soon, I am going to put a folding vertical grip on mine

 

Before you decide to do that, take a look at this letter from the ATF. http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2006/04/041006-openletter-nfa-adding-vertical-fore-grip.html

 

Specifically these 2 paragraphs:

 

 

ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment.

To lawfully add a vertical fore grip to a handgun, a person must make an appropriate application on ATF Form 1, “Application to Make and Register a Firearm.” The applicant must submit the completed form, along with a fingerprint card bearing the applicant’s fingerprints; a photograph; and $200.00. The application will be reviewed by the NFA Branch. If the applicant is not prohibited from possessing a firearm under Federal, State, or local law, and possession of an “AOW” is not prohibited in the applicant’s State of residence, the form will be approved. Only then may the person add a vertical fore grip to the designated handgun.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Darth Saigus

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

aww fuck, ya just cant win.

So a vertical foregrip is illegal, but the thing you have is ok?

 

who the hell shoots their m92 one handed anyways.

ATF are some nitpicking fucks.

Edited August 15, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH

[XD45 7,124]

aww fuck, ya just cant win.

So a vertical foregrip is illegal, but the thing you have is ok?

 

who the hell shoots their m92 one handed anyways.

ATF are some nitpicking fucks.

Yes the AFG is OK.

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

Why is AFG grip ok? you are still using 2 hands? anyways

Thank for the heads up, I wouldn't want to go to jail for 10 years for adding a little plastic grip to my gun.

Is the ATF form 1 the same form you use to SBR your gun? If you get this form approved is it ok for the

vertical fore grip and folding stock then, or is that 2 separate things?

I really don't want to put a stock on it but I do want a vertical grip.

Edited August 15, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH

[XD45 7,124]

I've only done one Form 1 for an sbr. I'll let somebody with experience doing an AOW speak to that question.

[saltydecimator 482]

what kinda price ya finding ? jg sales had eht 556 version for like 550 or 6 recently but the 762 was higher

[Lone Eagle 839]

Mine was $600 at the fun show, and I've seen them as high as a grand. From what the show vendor told me, these are on a limited run and people are snatching them up left and right.

[XD45 7,124]

I haven't seen any less than 650. I paid 750 for mine during the panic when they were selling for 999.

[mostholycerebus 415]

Keep in mind that the VFG is only an illegal AOW if the OAL is under 26". ATF currently considers anything over 26" to be not concealable. If the OAL is over 26" and you add a VFG you have created a "firearm" by ATFs definition; not a rifle (defined as having a stock), nor a pistol (defined as under 26"). To do this on the PAP though, you may need to pin a long muzzle device.

 

Or, yeah, just use the AFG.

[SHOTGUN MESIAH 855]

I guess by SBRing the gun it turns it into a rifle therefore making it legal to put a vertical grip on it.

Serbu makes the super shorty with a vertical grip and classifies it as a AOW. What perplexes me is how

they get away with a 6.5" barrel on a shotgun because it is not classified as a pistol.

[XD45 7,124]

A shotgun with a barrel under 18" and no stock is an AOW, with or without a vertical grip.