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#1 liberty -r- death

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:48 AM

With some help from my friends we have been able to determine a few magazine options.

Thanks to mancat I was able to get the measurements on his mags. Based on his measurements the Promag .223 AK mag should fit it, and the Polish Beryl. Promags are readily available, Polish Beryl mags are harder to find, but that may change with the release of the Polish Archer AK.

Special thanks to CaptainHero. He sent me a Bulgarian Circle 10 mag body for testing. I can say the Circle 10 mags work like they are made for the Vepr. I did have to take 3/10's of an inch og the magazine release to get the mag catch to allow the mag to lock in.

I'm posting info as it becomes available. I plan on doing a full write up on everything I've done when I get my final configuration worked out.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 03:09 PM

Awsome Liberty! I look forward to your review.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 09:50 PM

Do these require machining or do they work in an unmodified saiga. Also , do these 30rd mags need a bullet guide? Thanks!

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 10:02 PM

Do these require machining or do they work in an unmodified saiga. Also , do these 30rd mags need a bullet guide? Thanks!

Will work in saiga with a bullet guide. You would get familiar with 922r. Can't use high cap mags unless your parts count is right. Check out the Saiga 223 section for more info.
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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:10 PM


Do these require machining or do they work in an unmodified saiga. Also , do these 30rd mags need a bullet guide? Thanks!

Will work in saiga with a bullet guide. You would get familiar with 922r. Can't use high cap mags unless your parts count is right. Check out the Saiga 223 section for more info.


Not only what Liberty said, but with the Saiga sporter, the front trunnion isnt recessed for standard AK mags and therefore may require minor fitting to clear the bottom of the trunnion.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:00 PM

The beryl magazine, circle 10 and promag are all copys of eachother they are all based off the bulgarian circle 10 mag thats why they all work

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:22 PM


The beryl magazine, circle 10 and promag are all copys of eachother they are all based off the bulgarian circle 10 mag thats why they all work

Thanks. I did not know that. I'm sure that others here did not either. I love the forum! Still learning new things.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 09:54 AM

I have an older RobArms Vepr II in .223 and the Promags work perfectly in my rifle. A couple mags needed to be used several times to become reliable, but I've never had a misfeed once broken in due the magazine. My rifle had a bullet guide installed by RobArms by the way.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 01:55 PM

Do these need the bullet guide to run the beryl mags? Did you have to mod the mags any for those?

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:06 PM

Do these need the bullet guide to run the beryl mags? Did you have to mod the mags any for those?


You will need a bullet guide. No mods to the mags should be needed.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:26 AM

I just bought 3 30 round promags. They have, so far, functioned flawlessly. They were also incredibly cheap (10 and some change) and fit well.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:12 PM

I just picked mine up a few minutes ago. I have to strip her down and get her ready for conversion.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:45 PM

I just picked mine up a few minutes ago. I have to strip her down and get her ready for conversion.


Its worth it.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:51 PM

I just picked mine up a few minutes ago. I have to strip her down and get her ready for conversion.


Mike, we need a pics!
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 09:54 PM

The wood is gone ! I have a spare set of the Rob arm furniture I will install tomorrow,pick up a round trunnion bullet guide and FCG and remove the muzzle thread cover and shave down the rear mag catch down to 1.4015".

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:22 PM

Will the 5.56/.223 VEPR's feed from surplus Galil mags - either poly or steel?  I have a 5.56/.223 Saiga that works well with them and I would really like to get the thing a 'companion,' but trying to find a Saiga, any Saiga, at a reasonable price is almost a joke!!!  But, maybe the VEPR would be a suitable alternative!

 

By the way, who is supposed to be the Saiga importer these days, since RAAC isn't any longer?  And what are they doing?  Because it really doesn't seem like it's importing Saigas!!!

 

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

No idea on Saiga imports. My guess is we won't see many until they get their house in order. Vepr seems to be trying to fill the void. From the measurements Galil mags are too wide to work in both poly and steel. By all accounts Bulgy circle ten, Beryl, and promag fit.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 04:52 PM

Will the 5.56/.223 VEPR's feed from surplus Galil mags - either poly or steel?  I have a 5.56/.223 Saiga that works well with them and I would really like to get the thing a 'companion,' but trying to find a Saiga, any Saiga, at a reasonable price is almost a joke!!!  But, maybe the VEPR would be a suitable alternative!

 

By the way, who is supposed to be the Saiga importer these days, since RAAC isn't any longer?  And what are they doing?  Because it really doesn't seem like it's importing Saigas!!!

 

Thanks in advance.

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Legion USA brought some in a while back, and I think theres a few others but not many. I dont think they are pumping many out at the moment. But for considering a Vepr, I would easily suggest one to someone. They do cost more, but I feel you get a bit more in return, and at the moment havent seen the crazy pricetag that the Saigas have in this climate.


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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:23 PM

Got bored and decided to see if a Tapco Galil mag could be fixed to work in the Vepr. Didn't really need to do it, but I need a project every once in a while.

 

Success! Took maybe 5 minutes.

 

My camera is down so no pics yet. After removing a couple mm's off each side with the good ol' Dremel it fits and feeds test ammo. Very little wobble. Top on the mag is right where it should be without mods to the front or rear lugs.

 

Not pretty but inexpensive and it works. I may try using the table say to make more precise trimming on the next one. Probably won't happen until I get bored again.


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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:07 AM

I was able to get my Beryl to appear to work without a bullet guide, but havent shot with it.



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Posted 01 April 2013 - 06:12 PM

Let us know if they work with out it. All of mine already had bullet guides when I got some Beryl mags so I had no way to check for that.
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Posted 29 April 2013 - 08:12 PM

Is Promag the same as a P-mag? I don't see any .223 Vepr mags on their site. Only .308.



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Posted 30 April 2013 - 08:15 AM

P-mags are usually a reference to polymer Ar mags and are not likely Promags.

 

Stay away from Promag if you can find Bulgarian or Beryl mags. Promags are cheap plastic. 50/50 shot if they are any good. Locking lug usually breaks off on them.


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