ndmak 10 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 please. 8 rounds. 10 rounds. i dont care. something other than poly for my s12. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 steel S12 10 rounder. most preferred would be if I could mod it for JTE magwell. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RED333 1,025 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 And a S12 8 round. Rock n Lock, like the factory. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 ^^^^ what he said 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 I would like to see some type of S12 mag.(8rd, 10rd) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 What would be the interest in 3, 5, 8, 10 and 12 round capacities? With those options how many of what do you want (not looking for any preorder type thing, just what kind of popularity for each size). As for Mag well compatibility. We would probably do that as a side project down the road if possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 Oh 12 or even more would be awesome, but I figured you would have better success selling the 10s. I think most people would be looking to buy 1-2 steel mags for the night stand gun, etc. Whether it is true or not, people seem to think that 8 is the magic number for length and reliability. IMO, even if that is true for existing mags, there is no reason why it has to be true for yours. I mostly think this is part of the whole "factory must be best" mentality. There may be some truth for existing 12 rounders, but I am not aware of any evidence that 10 rounders perform any worse than 8 rounders. There are franken mags that work with light loads up to 20 shells. I am sure that with a good strong spring, you could make a 13 rounder that could reliably lift 12 or 13 heavy 3" loads without lagging. People whose gun has issues with a drum would probably have the same issues to a lesser degree with a stick mag and strong spring, but you can always say so up front. I think the people who want these for durability and more certain reliability would be the same people willing to do the proper gas/friction mods anyway. Of course, you could simply obtain an IZZy 8 and give it to your beta tester along with your mags and have people count the failures and replace the hype with numbers. I don't expect you to make ready made magwell models, but if possible, making them such that I could grind down the front and have the back angle relative to the lug match the external dimensions of the SGM mag would open up that whole market for you. Or it may be more profitable to make one just for the 030/vepr crowd. Those guys are already willing to pay extra. Side thought. give it a bit of clearance in the back portion for those with LRBHOs such as cadiz makes. It won't hurt for anyone else's gun, and would just mean a bit deeper dip in the stamp that punches out the mag. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted October 28, 2012 Report Share Posted October 28, 2012 OK, to be completely honest, I will buy whatever size you make. I would be more excited about (and buy more quantity of) the 8, 10, and 12 round capacity mags. I also like Gunfun's idea for even larger capacity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet Man 2,114 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 8 and 10. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Eck-Tek 4 Posted October 29, 2012 Report Share Posted October 29, 2012 I'd say 8 would be perfect. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
netpackrat 566 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 And a S12 8 round. Rock n Lock, like the factory. This. 8 round steel mags. Must be reliable with 3" shells. Preferably with 2-3/4" also. IMO the 10 and 12 round mags are for use by gamers and as range toys. The currently available plastic mags are generally adequate for that. For a fighting shotgun, 8 round mags would be ideal, but we need dependable magazines that are available in usable quantities for less than the russian 8 rounders. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VR762Shooter 838 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 A steel S12 mag with a 10 round length, adjusted to fit 5-10 based off of spring guide length would be great. Then the capacity regulated states could buy them as well, and when freed from oppression can just cut down the guide to increase their round capacity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 On the S-12 mags is anyone bothered by changing aspects of the design away from the Factory design? Like feedlip length or changing the angle the magazine hangs from the shotgun? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lbsrdi 1,078 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I don't know about the feedlips, but on the mag angle are you referring to the curvature of the mag? Are you thinking about making it more strait, or curving it more? Personally I don't care, whatever you do to make it reliable is fine with me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 On the S-12 mags is anyone bothered by changing aspects of the design away from the Factory design? Like feedlip length or changing the angle the magazine hangs from the shotgun? I would assume you would change it to improve it. Anything that actually works better is better. You obviously are capable of making things that work, and I don't necessarily think that the factory got it perfect on the first try. Change away. I would think something that holds the shell in line for more of the feed stroke would be a good thing. I.e. the majority of users have guns that predate the extended barrel hood, so there is a potential for jam there with shells that are shorter. If your design can hold the shell by more of the length in the brass area, it may keep a shell from shifting so that it points upward of the intended alignment. I bet adding even an eighth inch more length to the forward edge of the feed lips would create enough leverage in favor of the mag spring to significantly reduce the possibility of a barrel hood jam. Am I making sense? Another concern for me with metal mags/ feed lips is rough or sharp edges on the feedlips. I have noticed that my factory mags have rough stamped edges on the steel feed lip clip that cause a very gritty drag on the shell as it is pushed forward. The SGM mags are smooth. While both work fine, smoother is obviously superior. Now that I am reloading, paying attention to damaged brass is more of an issue too. Just to be fair in giving you market assessment. I figure I would buy at least one. I am happy with the magazines I have, so I doubt I would buy more than three. If MD ever drops the DS mags (and they work well), I'd still pick up one or two of yours, but would probably focus on the DS mags. I am mostly looking to have a very solid magazine for HD, for each of my guns. I trust the ones I have now, so yours would just rotate to primary duty with the old ones as backup. I am sure there are guys who believe in steel, and will sell all their plastic mags and trade in for steel, but I am not one of them. On the other hand, if I manage to get the local competition style play going, and I can make your magazines work with the magwell, I might get a few for that. It depends on whether yours work with a magwell and whether dropping them in a hurry will beat them up. I don't like dropping SGM mags onto rocky ground. With steel, they could either be more durable, or prone to dents. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garnaz 215 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) 8-10 round are my preferred size mags. Feedlip and curvature change not big issue for me. Maybe window or some round indicator holes? Like glock mags Edit to add rock n lock preferred Edited November 3, 2012 by garnaz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
csspecs 1,987 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 On the S-12 mags is anyone bothered by changing aspects of the design away from the Factory design? Like feedlip length or changing the angle the magazine hangs from the shotgun? I would assume you would change it to improve it. Anything that actually works better is better. You obviously are capable of making things that work, and I don't necessarily think that the factory got it perfect on the first try. Change away. I would think something that holds the shell in line for more of the feed stroke would be a good thing. I.e. the majority of users have guns that predate the extended barrel hood, so there is a potential for jam there with shells that are shorter. If your design can hold the shell by more of the length in the brass area, it may keep a shell from shifting so that it points upward of the intended alignment. I bet adding even an eighth inch more length to the forward edge of the feed lips would create enough leverage in favor of the mag spring to significantly reduce the possibility of a barrel hood jam. Am I making sense? Another concern for me with metal mags/ feed lips is rough or sharp edges on the feedlips. I have noticed that my factory mags have rough stamped edges on the steel feed lip clip that cause a very gritty drag on the shell as it is pushed forward. The SGM mags are smooth. While both work fine, smoother is obviously superior. Now that I am reloading, paying attention to damaged brass is more of an issue too. Just to be fair in giving you market assessment. I figure I would buy at least one. I am happy with the magazines I have, so I doubt I would buy more than three. If MD ever drops the DS mags (and they work well), I'd still pick up one or two of yours, but would probably focus on the DS mags. I am mostly looking to have a very solid magazine for HD, for each of my guns. I trust the ones I have now, so yours would just rotate to primary duty with the old ones as backup. I am sure there are guys who believe in steel, and will sell all their plastic mags and trade in for steel, but I am not one of them. On the other hand, if I manage to get the local competition style play going, and I can make your magazines work with the magwell, I might get a few for that. It depends on whether yours work with a magwell and whether dropping them in a hurry will beat them up. I don't like dropping SGM mags onto rocky ground. With steel, they could either be more durable, or prone to dents. The feedlip length on the factory S-12 magazine is limited by the step in the body, if it had extended the forces exerted on the feedlips could pop them off. Since we weld all our parts on it stands to reason that we could support the round for a longer duration.. Your correct that longer feedlips would likely prevent barrel hood jams, I'd have to test them on a close to production model to know what the possible side effects could be. We would likely have the feedlips laser or water jet cut and then have them deburred. The factory parts are blanked which tends to make sharp edges. As for dropping them.. Steel does dent, there is no getting around it, and no amount of ribbing and hardening will make it dent proof. However long term durability does favor steel by a wide margin. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KennyFSU 249 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Another vote for 8 and 10 steel mags here, rock and lock style. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
getboth 14 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 +1 for vepr steel mags. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spartacus 1,619 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Another vote for 8 and 10 steel mags here, rock and lock style. Yep, any larger than this and I'd just go to a drum. Long stick mags are too hard to deal with other than the range. Smaller than this is already served well by the plastic 5 rounders. Would still like to see the DS mags someday though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lowrydesign 1 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 +1 for steel steel mags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brickfield mfg 86 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 I WAAAAAANT 8 round steel mags for both the S12, AND the Vepr 12!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PapaZorro 401 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 +1 for Vepr-12/ Saiga-12 with magwell - 8/10 round 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eyeshooter 0 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 8-10 round steel rock and lock for me please Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dep714 10 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 8& 10 round steel mags please Quote Link to post Share on other sites
montec 164 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 10 Rounders. 5 I get from keepshooting, and the thing is that shells are sold in increments of 5 and up to 25. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gregomega 929 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 8 &10/12 rounders would be cool Magwell for vepr/030 and rock&lock 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
misterT 174 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Yes most definately 10 round steel, if its made for a mag well theat would give me another reason to add a mag well. I have never been to fond of plastic mags, but right now that is all that seems to be available for these. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun12 205 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 8 & 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 King of the Hill said if I posted here if I want steel mags. Woo hoo! FREE STEEL MAGS! I'll take 10. Thanks, King of the Hill!!! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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