AKARS or TWS Dogleg Rail ... which for S308?

[Kaelic 7]

So my build is almost complete (aside from a few cosmetic touches) on my Saiga .308 so once again I turn to the Saiga gurus for some advice on which rear rail system to get. First off:

 

Will they fit the Saiga .308? TWS says that it will and markets it for the Saiga .308. Parabellum has yet to reply but one of their distributors, AIM, replied and said it would if the Saiga .308 has a standard AK dust cover. This isn't something I know off hand.

 

Which one is more rugged? I have yet to see torture testing on either but I'd like to see them dropped, thrown, rolled, etc. Not that I am planning to do these things with my gun but I'd like to know which is more likely to fail as this is my "go to" rifle.

 

Anyone know of the backup iron sights function for the AKARS? The TWS has a rear peepsight that looks good ... I couldn't really tell what sort of backup iron sight the AKARS uses. Input?

 

Once I have figured this out, bought and installed I'll put up a pic of my Saiga ... I love it as is, and it shoots great with irons but the optics mount will complete it. Thanks again guys!

[jimdigriz 580]

What optic are you planning to use?

 

Neither of those mounts are appealing to me. I've seen how the TWS batters its rear spacer. The bolt carrier slams into the spacer at an odd angle, also causing the button to move forward somewhat. I don't want my rear recoil rod to reciprocate when I shoot my gun. Maybe they've fixed all of this since my friend had his TWS rail, but I doubt it.

 

The Saiga 308 does use a standard dust cover, but the AKARS seems to lack a way to prevent all movement in the back. I'm skeptical that it will hold zero, especially with the 308 caliber.

[Deadeye 325]

I like the Dph Beryl style rail.

[VR762Shooter 838]

I always liked, and still plan on, a Kalinka POSP for the standard side mount. I like the look of the Russian type scopes on a Russian rifle. I'm sure others feel differently but I think a nice POSP looks damn sexy on these when setup right

[RED333 1,025]

I made my own, works for me.

I can get the cover and bolt off and not mess zero on the scope.

Edited November 3, 2012 by RED333

[timy 1,185]

I made my own, works for me.

I can get the cover and bolt off and not mess zero on the scope.

 

Very innovative, Red. However, it sure looks like it could get bumped out of alignment easily. Do you wear kid gloves or is it not a problem?

[RED333 1,025]

So far not an issue, put it in a soft case for back and forth to the range.

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Find a TWS Gen1 for sale and grab it!

 

[Deadeye 325]

http://rifleshooter.com/2012/07/parabellum-armament-ak-adaptive-rail-system-akars-review/

[netpackrat 566]

I have the TWS on my s308 and it is outstanding... But, the recoil assembly with the stupid spacer that they sell for the .308, would not work in mine. The spacer wouldn't allow the takedown button to go back far enough to seat in the cover, and as a result, the rail would not lock down. I had to switch back to the standard TWS takedown button, and installed a Blackjack recoil buffer to keep the carrier from going back far enough to jump the rails. I wasn't exactly happy about having to do it that way, but I've had zero problems with it.

[AZMFR 0]

Have you seen this? Looks pretty interesting. Optics planet has it for under $300 but still seems high to me.

 

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

Besser...

 

[netpackrat 566]

The Krebs rail is nice. It has some advantages and some disadvantages. The big disadvantage to my way of thinking, is it requires the stock tang for mounting, so you can't use it with one of the cut-tang receiver blocks like you can the TWS. That, and it isn't as low as the TWS gen 2 rail. That doesn't matter as much with a regular scope because you need tall rings with the TWS to clear the "dog leg" portion of the mount, but with a scope that has a straight tube for the objective, you should be able to mount it lower on the TWS than the Krebs. The TWS gives you the choice of a couple different rear sight options, although neither is adjustable, so you still have to make all your adjustments at the front. Advantages of the Krebs... People bitch about the cost, but you don't have to pay extra for a rear sight, which is adjustable, and it gives some gross elevation adjustment of the rail for rifles where the barrel is not necessarily aligned with the receiver (I have an AK like this that can't use the TWS rail or Tech Sights), and it leaves the factory recoil system and dust cover unaltered. This means you don't have to mess with aftermarket recoil buffers, or the TWS .308 specific takedown button that doesn't work. It can also be a big deal if you reload, because you can then install a Valmet recoil buffer on the dust cover and save some of the beating that your brass will take. The TWS cover is too thick to accept the Valmet buffer.