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Interesting... but liberals are not anti-second ammendment.

 

This issue has many people confused. Yes, there are some wackos on the left who oppose gun rights. But most liberals are regular old mainstream people who have a gun or two, and don't really care about the second ammendment.

 

I'm serious. I live in a town of liberals... trying to get one of them excited about the gun issue is a lost cause. Its not an important topic to them.

 

At the same time, conservatives don't give a flying flip about the second ammendment-- they want to see it gone.

 

Bill O Rielley on the end of the "Assault weapons ban": " I just think that americans don't need machine guns and bazookas! Its rediculous"

 

George Bush, his father, Reagan, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, THE NRA and Bill Oreilley all support:

The NFA

The GCA

The Brady Bill

"Closing the gun show loophole"

"Reauthorizing the assault weapons ban"

"Requireing citizens to keep their guns locked at all times"

etc.

 

George Bush has created two new gun bans in his administration. His father gave us 922r and the Assault Weapons Ban (which he did by fiat, before congress passed it under clinton).

 

Reagan signed into law the ban on machine gun manufacture.

 

Bush is likely to sign this new bill that "protects firearms manufacturers" but also has potential bans on any kind of ammo the ATF decides it wants to Ban! This is hte NRA's bill, passed by the congress and senate while controlled by conservatives.

 

The difference between liberals and conservative is the difference between communalist socialism and nationalist socialism. They are just two brands of socialism, and brands that have been at war with each other since the days of Marx.

 

The only hope is the libertarian party. And if that sounds like a long shot, well, that's how dire the situation is in this country.

 

Liberals are a red herring. They don't really care. Micheal Moore makes money by pissing people off and Bowling for Columbine did that. But this is not an agenda item for liberals.

 

Notice that Kerry and Bush's positions on gun control were exactly the same-- they were both for it.

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As long as we are ruled by Yale "skull and bones" mega buck descendants of the old aristocracy (Both Bush and Kerry are related to King George the 3rd.) we will get f^@#$*.

Big government conservatives, anti gun liberals? Both parties are under the controll of RADICAL anti-working man elitist assholes.

Buy guns. Buy ammo.

PRAY!

 

G O B

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Total bullshit!!!! :chris:

 

Yeah, maybe not all liberals are anti-gun, but the majority of the gun control freaks trying the phuck over the 2nd Amendment and put it out of existance once and for all are both *LIBERAL* and *DEMOCRAT* (and no matter how you try to shit shellack those facts over it's still sadly the truth). :angry:

 

And for the few liberals who *DO* own guns and don't care one way or the other about gun rights, I say get the f**k off my train because we don't need you worthless assholes anyway (that goes for Conservatives too who feel the same way). :killer:

 

And if you don't believe what I'm saying, where TF is the DEMOCRAT version of the G.O.T.F.?

 

(Gun Owners Task Force)

 

*hint - it doesn't fuckin' exist. :chris:

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Can anyone here name a prominant republican president whose overturned a major gun law? Or done anything to help gun rights?

 

George HW Bush gave us the assault weapons ban, His son endorsed it. His predecessor Reagan ended the manufacture of machine guns for private use, even though they are legal under the NFA with registration.

 

Liberals don't really care about guns. The association of liberals and guns is one that republican propagandists have put into your head so that you won't notice that it is REPUBLICANS who are busy taking away your gun rights.

 

Frankly, I'm disturbed and dismayed that most gun owners are republicans and seem to be uncaring about the fact that their rights are being eroded-- they only care if they think liberals are doing it, but when republicans do it, they pretend it didn't happen. (or stay in a state of denial-- like the NRA is about the recent ATF assault weapons parts ban.)

 

Fact of the matter is, most gun owners have signed up for the socialist world-government agenda, and the gun control that comes with it.

 

You vote for people like George Bush, then you have no right to bitch when they keep their promise and ban your guns.

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Well, what about the new Supreme Court judge GWB just endorsed to replace that "I'll make my own rules up as I see fit and fuck what the Constitution & Bill of Rights spell out" Democrat backed Sandra Day O' Connor there, buddy? :angry:

 

Sounds like you George "Shrub" Bush detractors hate the man so much that you don't see the good that he actually does for us firearms fanciers. :rolleyes:

 

I almost hope some liberal Democrat pantywaste (like Hillary) does win the 2008 Presidental election so you can really see what fucked-over (i.e. - non-existant) firearms ownership would be like. :chris:

 

And when that day comes, I better not hear you whining about how much better it was under the Repubs.

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You won't hear me whining about how it was better under hte republicans. We just had Clinton . Bush 1- - assault weapons ban. Clinton-- nothing. Bush 2-- two gun bans.

 

Sandra Day Oconner is the one who selected George Bush to be president in the first place. IF you're hoping for her replacement to be better, you're deluding yourself about how things work.

 

Look, the second ammendment is clear as day. IT doesn't take any interpretation.

 

When your president enacts two gun bans, and then endorses others... you don't have to look at supreme court nominees to see that he's anti gun.

 

When some nominee is found to have ruled in a pro-gun way in a lower court, that doesn't mean he can be counted on on the supreme court.

 

The supreme court now, without Bush's two appointments, was mostly appointed by Reagan and Nixon-- republicans.

 

And still they refused to take the Silviera case.

 

I'm not saying democrats would be better. I'm saying that democrats would be THE SAME.

 

As long as republicans can count on your vote no matter what they do, then they will continue to ban guns.

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Hmm, well I seem to remember Blowjob Billy in bed with British run S&W and banning Chinese imports?

 

Not to say Bush # 1 was all that great.

 

Bush # 2 is a paper tiger though. He says he agrees with gun control legislation (to appease the liberals into thinking he's doing something about those "nasty" guns) knowing full well with Conservative Repubs. in charge of pretty much everything that anti gun legislatin usually has a snowball's chance in hell of passing.

 

After the debacle of Hurricane Katrina any Democrat *OR* Republcan who still believes most of Joe Sixpack America supports gun control is either a blooming idiot or a retard. Funny that most of the gun control blather still comes from the Democrat side though. :rolleyes:

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Gaddis,

 

Bear in mind that you are trying to reason with a gentleman who describes our soldiers in Iraq as felons and the illegal immigrants as good for our economy and a deterrent to the welfare state. :rolleyes:

 

If you scan the threads of the forum you will find NoTreason4 taking offbeat positions on numerous topics. Whether he is sincere or baiting us remains to be determined.

 

He supports the legalization of illicit drugs and is in agreement with the ACLU on numerous issues.

 

He believes in opening the US to "free trade" which means further importation of goods made by cheap (and often exploited) labor from around the world without restrictions or tariffs. Tell that to the thousands of unemployed factory workers who have lost good paying jobs to Third World countries because labor is dirt cheap. Don't worry they'll find new jobs flipping burgers or in customer service making $6 an hour with crap benefits if any.

 

Of course he is free to have an opinion just like the rest of us. :rolleyes:

 

Wolverine

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I can see in the near future, every thread NoTreason posts on in the trash can.

 

All I'm trying to say is, you're not making any friends here.

 

You don't contribute anything to this board.

 

You don't have a "new, fresh, dynamic outlook that will change people's thinking".

 

All you do is create animosity and turn the country against itself.

 

Have you ever done anything selfless?

 

Have you ever done any thing good for our country?

 

Do you have a job?

 

Everyone here is turning against you. Now it's time for you to behave, and post some credible information to this board, so that it will make everyone forget about the week that the world turned on you. I'm not saying that's what we want you to do, I'm saying that that's what you will do.

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shaneman 153,

 

I just responded to NoTreason4 over of the funny section tellling him to get his act together because I now have his number. He is baiting others and spoiling for conflict and he had better stop right now. The future is up to him.

 

Wolverine :smoke:

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You guys are following me around the board, spreading this same old bullshit? I love how you keep making new things up that I've supposedly said, wolverine. Its notable that you never quote me, you just make shit up as you go.

 

Seems you guys are obsessed with me!

 

BACK ON TOPIC:

 

Gaddis-- you made a couple mistakes.

 

It was George HW Bush who banned the Chinese imports. He did it by executive order.

 

George W Bush banned the importation of AK parts, first for assembly into new rifles, and then outright, in totality.

 

That means that there can be no more barrels imported for Saigas. Fortunately, Saigas are protected by treaty, so they can still be imported.

 

But other than that-- NO MORE AKS can ever be imported. None at all.

 

George Bush banned the AK in this country.

 

I don't consider him a paper tiger... he's not paying lipservice. He just banned our favorite firearm!

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Perhaps you should retrace the date and time of my posts relative to yours. Then things may make more sense to you. The posting above you're referring to was here before I arrived at your inflammatory insult to the military members of this forum as well as those who are friends and family of US soldiers.

 

I'm not quoting you. I am simply citing the standard position of Libertarians as reflected in their web site. You did say you are a Libertarian didn't you? Of course you have no problem affixing labels like "politically correct" and "trotskyites" and "neoconservatives and blah, blah, blah to others.

 

Frankly, I don't give a damn what you believe and neither does 99.5% of the other members of this forum. It is really a shame that you feel compelled to proselytize to give validity to your view of reality. But you have every right to your views...............as long as you do not turn this forum into a three ring circus in the process.

 

I saw your note to shaneman. That's a start. If you are constructive, great. If not, I will not hesitiate to resolve the matter.

 

And NoTreason4, I don't need to follow you around, I can see your wake a mile away or just affix an electronic tether and take a coffee break.

 

And spare me the victim shit. You stirred the turd, now enjoy the aroma.

 

Wolverine

 

 

 

 

 

You guys are following me around the board, spreading this same old bullshit? I love how you keep making new things up that I've supposedly said, wolverine. Its notable that you never quote me, you just make shit up as you go.

 

Seems you guys are obsessed with me!

 

 

BACK ON TOPIC:

 

Gaddis-- you made a couple mistakes.

 

It was George HW Bush who banned the Chinese imports. He did it by executive order.

 

George W Bush banned the importation of AK parts, first for assembly into new rifles, and then outright, in totality.

 

That means that there can be no more barrels imported for Saigas. Fortunately, Saigas are protected by treaty, so they can still be imported.

 

But other than that-- NO MORE AKS can ever be imported. None at all.

 

George Bush banned the AK in this country.

 

I don't consider him a paper tiger... he's not paying lipservice. He just banned our favorite firearm!

:smoke::smoke::smoke:

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I would like to add to this these facts. regan won the longest war in modern history...the cold war. he also set in place a recovery for the deficit that occured, which bill clinton took undue credit for... (it was figured into our budget THEN, BEFORE bill and his wife came along), the bush duo is a natural outcome. in the last 20 years, the democrats and liberals havent done shit is what Im implying.

 

i cant believe you all think that ANY president has ultimate say and power like was promised. you should have known this isnt the case the second they said this or that was illegal in the gun world.....

 

EXACTLY WHAT do you think would be any different with any other president? do you really think we would be in a differ\ent place now?

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Bvamp--

I think I get what you're saying... but presidents do have the power, Reagan who vetoed many bills could have insisted that the machine gun manufacturing ban not be in there, and Bush 1 banned the chinese things by executive order, so they clearly had to make that choice. And Clinton, of course, signed the AWB.

 

I'm not sure what you mean about the boon from Reagan... I think its more complicated than that, and I do believe that when it comes to economic factors, its difficult to give any president direct credit... For instance, reagan is responsible for the boom in the 90s, but also the bust in 2000. The further you get from the presidency in time, the more effect their policies have had. We'll be dealing with Clinton's increased inflation in 2010, and the effects of Bush2s really increased inflation will be hitting us pretty bad by 2020.

 

 

 

Wolverine--

Twice in the last 24 hours I've asked you to back up your allegations, and you have ignored me. Thus I must conclude that you realize that you cannot do so.

 

My post to shane had nothing to do with anything you or cobra have said. I simply do not respond to threats , especially when you are engaging in the very behaviour you accuse me of. (Including trolling as you have done in this thread.)

 

Now, I don't know why you have gone so crazy over this issue... if my position is silly, ignore it, if it is sincere, respond sincerely. Instead you have gone completely ballistic, and have been making a huge deal out of it in every thread. Here you derailed discussion to do so. For whatever the reason, I think you can see that its pointless. Your best option is to just let it go.

 

Take a deep breath. Take a step back. Consider where you want to go with this. Stop making threats. They are not having an effect on me. Stop conjuring up things to say about me. If you will notice, I haven't been going after you. I have been holding back.

 

If you can treat me with respect going forward, I will do the same to you. This goes for cobra as well. This isn't really anything out of line-- it's my standard deal. I always have and always will respond to respectful posts in a respectful manner.

 

If you want an end to this, it's over. Recognize that this post is not a personal attack on you, don't take it personally. Take the high road with me.

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Wolverine--

Twice in the last 24 hours I've asked you to back up your allegations, and you have ignored me. Thus I must conclude that you realize that you cannot do so.

 

My post to shane had nothing to do with anything you or cobra have said. I simply do not respond to threats , especially when you are engaging in the very behaviour you accuse me of. (Including trolling as you have done in this thread.)

 

Now, I don't know why you have gone so crazy over this issue... if my position is silly, ignore it, if it is sincere, respond sincerely. Instead you have gone completely ballistic, and have been making a huge deal out of it in every thread. Here you derailed discussion to do so. For whatever the reason, I think you can see that its pointless. Your best option is to just let it go.

 

Take a deep breath. Take a step back. Consider where you want to go with this. Stop making threats. They are not having an effect on me. Stop conjuring up things to say about me. If you will notice, I haven't been going after you. I have been holding back.

 

If you can treat me with respect going forward, I will do the same to you. This goes for cobra as well. This isn't really anything out of line-- it's my standard deal. I always have and always will respond to respectful posts in a respectful manner.

 

If you want an end to this, it's over. Recognize that this post is not a personal attack on you, don't take it personally. Take the high road with me.

OK I'll bite one last time. You have been warned publicly and officially to stop your Bla Bla Bla and trying to make us look bad as moderators well as good people. Truth is the fact that you are a trouble maker bent on arguing about anything and everything with whoever crosses you is obvious to all and requires no proof other than that you have given already. You insulted upstanding members of this forum as well as the military and veterans as a whole with your nonsense. My job is to keep that shit to a minimum and you are already overboard with it. You want us to stop making threats that are having no effect on you? OK. You want us to respect you? Hell no! you have not earned any respect here like the ones you have slandered. You definately haven't earned any from the staff and I for one don't need or want your respect. I actually considered taking a few days away from here so i wouldn't have to listen to any more of your endless arguing. Guess what? Screw that! Here's a threat that will have an effect on you. You take a few days off and think about what an ass you have been here. If you decide to come back to this forum and continue your baiting and bullshit you will get another suspension. And no I don't plan on just dropping it and letting you have your spoiled way so stop flaming my inbox too. Remember if you had tried this shit with the moderators on another well known gun forum you would already be banned for good.

Later troll :haha:

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