Avtomot 5 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 hey guys so i wanted to know if a recoil buffer could actually damage the rivets of the rear trunnion..my saiga is overgassed a bit and i already changed the recoil spring to a wolff extra power..it still was making metal to metal contact and i cant have that so i bought a black jack buffer.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Contact with the rear trunnion is normal. 99% of AKs out there have trunnion contact. The question is if the force of the contact is excessive or not. Since you have the extra power spring in there, I'd wager it isn't, but you'd have to check for peening/rolling around the bolt stem relief to be sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avtomot 5 Posted November 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Contact with the rear trunnion is normal. 99% of AKs out there have trunnion contact. The question is if the force of the contact is excessive or not. Since you have the extra power spring in there, I'd wager it isn't, but you'd have to check for peening/rolling around the bolt stem relief to be sure. yes it looks like after just a few hundred rounds its more than just contact its rollin the metal over a little bit..my main concern is having this recoil buffer in my gun and the buffer actually doing more damage than it would without the buffer..a lot of people are talking about rivets egging out with a recoil buffer but that doesnt make sense u would think it would protect your gun from violent metal to metal contact.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 The reasoning behind that is that the carrier is making contact with the buffer while it has more energy. That much is technically true, but whether or not it actually ends up causing an appreciable (or any) amount of damage is up for debate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Post a pic of your rear trunnion. I'm curious to see the rolling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted November 18, 2012 Report Share Posted November 18, 2012 Eliminating recoil is like eliminating vibration in an engine, yes it is a good thing as long a it does not interfere with operations. You know at one time there was great debate about using rubberized engine mounts to reduce vibration, all sorts of claims ensued about how it could destroy the engine. Guess what your engine mounts look like now? If you like them use if not dont. It is your rifle. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pjj342 632 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 If you dont like the way your carrier slaps off the rear trunion, by all means get a buffer. I used a blackjack buffer while my saiga was unconverted and it worked pretty well. I would try one and see if your rifle still functions right. If the buffer breaks, black jack will replace it for free. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avtomot 5 Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 rifle functions flawlessly with or without it..my main and only concern is that some people seem to think the buffer could cause reciever or rivet damage near the rear trunnion..i have not seen any evidence of this though...what do u guys think? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philip271 7 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I have one installed. Saw it on amazon.com and the reviews were good. I'd think it would do more good than bad... *shrug* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhodes1968 1,638 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Get one and keep an eye on the rivets if you like. I have heard a LOT of stuff said with no evidence and little logic to confirm. There are a lot worse things to worry about these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The buffer doesn't harm your gun in any way or eliminate a perceptible amount of recoil. It does prevent peening. As I have said in a jillion identical threads, they work fine for most people, and if so, why should it bother you that some of us like insurance should the gun ever be fired on the wrong setting. Some guns with weak springs need the full stroke to work right, and losing .25" will foul them up. Others are too hot and will bounce the bolt off the back wall and outrun the magazine. Some of those people have issues with the buffer. I use one with an autoplug and 3" shells with no problems. YMMV. I did choose to make it a bit thinner. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avtomot 5 Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 thanks a lot bro appriciate the non smart ass answer..i get a lot of smart asses in here..this is my second overgassed ak but guess what i hear they all are for the most part..i have yet to see actual evidence that a buffer caused bent rivets or a damaged receiver..maybe in a cheaper varient but not the saiga.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool_of_Society 15 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I recently tried out a recoil buffer and it made no difference in recoil. My gun's carier never did hit the rear trunion so I probably don't need to use it. I don't like the feel of the shorter cocking but tha'ts about it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Avtomot 5 Posted November 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 ya i wouldnt use it if mine didnt hit the carrier..i also wouldnt use it if i had an armorer i could trade into..so as long as it wont cause damage to the rivets/receiver then im gona use it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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