AJCaruso 2 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 A buddy recently picked up a Saiga 7.62x39mm rifle. He said the dust cover 'botton' was different than any AK variant he had ever seen. He says it has a little button on the top to push down before pushing the rod forward. None of my 3 Saiga's have a button like this... Has anyone seen this before? Is this a new thing they started doing? Any info would be great. Thanks, AJ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vbrtrmn 167 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 All Saiga rifles and shotguns have that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJCaruso 2 Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 All Saiga rifles and shotguns have that. Not trying to say you're wrong or contradict you, but I own 3 and none of them have it. He also had a 7.62x39mm that he sold off a while back and it didn't either. Is there any rhyme or reason as to why some do and some don't? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raider929 31 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 My Saiga .223 (09 production) doesn't have this, however my new VEPR-12 does. Kind of a pain in the ass honestly, I'd rather not have the button there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Both my S12's are that way. All the rifles aren't. Always thought it was to keep the dust cover from sliding back and flying off the shotgun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJCaruso 2 Posted November 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 So the verdict is that it may or may not have the button depending on how much vodka the factory worker was drinking that day? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheDarkHorse 216 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Both my S12's are that way. All the rifles aren't. Same here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 From what I read, they basically are using a guide rod assembly that is supposed to be for the grenade launcher equipped AKs. without the button, some AKs were having dust covers pop off. That was the cure. Don't take it as gospel, but that is my understanding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squishy 1,149 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Both of my S-12s have the button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
su16a 84 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I have three 223's and one of the three have it. Also have 308 and 7.62 and not on either. I didn't like it at first but kind of like it now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pjj342 632 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 My 7.62x39 from 2002 does not have it. I thought that was just for the s12, but now im proven wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philip271 7 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Let's see, my 2009 7.62 doesn't have that button nor does my 2012 7.62. But the 2012 Saiga 12 I picked up tonight does have it. *shrug* Quote Link to post Share on other sites
corbin 621 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I also heard that they were for launcher equipped AKs, but I've only seen them on Saiga shotguns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1liter 20 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 12's got it, 308 doesn't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dieb4iwake 60 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 12 does 7.52 doesnt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 The only one I have with it is an Arsenal Legion Saiga. None of my others have ever had it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shankspony 40 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 Shotty has it (IZ-107) Rifle doesn't (IZ-332) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BigChongus 765 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 I have a feeling that they may accidentally make their way onto rifles every now and then. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tool_of_Society 15 Posted November 20, 2012 Report Share Posted November 20, 2012 My 2009 model 7.62x39 doesn't have the button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 I hear an echo in here. My S12 has it, my rifles don't. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CroCopitateya 0 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 That's my Saiga. What do you mean by Arsenal Legion? This is my second rifle and the first one didn't have it. This is on a 5.45 but I wouldn't think that would matter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ctd 20 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 All my s-12's have that, none of my saiga rifles do even tho the part would fit. I would consider myself lucky if I got that set up on a rifle-even tho you probably don't need it,it is still a nice touch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowFire 220 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) Yes it's normal, My S12 has it. The Wz.88 Tantal has a similar situation with the two piece tab and a small screw. It uses a dovetail however but the same thing is accomplished. Supposedly with the Tantal, the idea was to keep the top cover on under recoil of a barrel fired grenade. However I don't know if that assumption I have heard is true. The button is a common feature on Saiga firearms. Edited November 21, 2012 by ShadowFire Quote Link to post Share on other sites
canoecanoe 63 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 What do you mean by Arsenal Legion? This is my second rifle and the first one didn't have it. This is on a 5.45 but I wouldn't think that would matter. It was an Arsenal SGL10 which has the front end convertred, but not the rear end. I converted the rear end. " From the combined effort of Legion Ltd, the custom shop of the legendary Izhmash Factory in Russia, and Arsenal, Inc. of Las Vegas, Nevada comes a new SGL10 (Saiga) rifle in 7.62x39 caliber. Initially manufactured by Legion Ltd in Russia and remanufactured by Arsenal, Inc. in the United States, the new SGL10 (Saiga) rifle has everything that collectors and shooter have been looking for. Hand-select premium components, custom-shop-like attention to details by Legion Ltd, and Arsenal, Inc.’s highest standards of workmanship, give this rifle its superior quality. Arsenal, Inc. remanufactures the SGL10 (Saiga) rifles in the United States with 922r compliant parts and fills them with features not seen on any other factory Saiga rifles. Performing the most difficult modifications to achieve, Arsenal, Inc. has done a substantial work for the customer. The end result is the highest quality SGL10 (Saiga) rifle with the most desired features which have not been available before. This variation of Saiga rifle serves as the perfect platform for the enthusiasts to build many interesting original Russian AK projects, keeping the necessity and cost of replacement components and labor to a minimum. Every unit is laser sighted and test fired. Targets are included with most of the rifles." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 One of the .410's I own has the button, but it's the only one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rnemhrd 165 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) Happy Thanksgiving, S12, button 7.62, no button. This gives loosen the belt a new meaning, and WHO HAS THE BUTTON? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P4vLYoaia0&t=0m17s Edited November 22, 2012 by rnemhrd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CSgunner 0 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 My 09 production 7.62x39 have the button, my .223 and 5.45x39 doesn't have the button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 I expect to see all the new production guns having this. They were likely in the process of switching over wich is why some may or may not have this. All the new ones Ive seen locally have that button. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grinderhead 1 Posted November 22, 2012 Report Share Posted November 22, 2012 My 09 saiga 7.62x39 16" barrel has the button but my newer 20" barrel does not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RobRez 1,895 Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Having owned 5 different Saiga rifles, and an S-12, this button is new to me, Never had "The Button" on any of mine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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