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#1 benjiboy

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:02 PM

So I would like to keep my iron sights if possible but definitely want to mount this scope I have sitting around. I have done my fair share of seraching but seems the goal is to keep the mounts as low as possible and Iron Sights aren't considered.

What mount options are there that still enable you to use your iron sights?

#2 saigabob

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:34 PM

Good luck finding one. All the mounts i have seen sacrifice your cheek weld on the stock and turns it into your chin resting on it. I opted for a quick release side mount with a red dot. Have Another mount with a scope on it. Never any issues holding zero after 6-7k rounds. Taken on and off hundreds of times.
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#3 truckinmachine

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 06:14 AM

I got a MTK-83 from belarus on mine with a cheapo 4x32 scope works alright but takes some getting used to seeing how it makes you feel like a lil kid trying to look over something to use it... as far as accuracy or how long it will last I dunno havent shot it enough to really give a good answer... was having a lil trouble with screws backing out and loosing zero havent shot it yet after fix... (in the middle of conversion) not lookin good to get to range for a while yet need more parts to keep atf happy... dont remember where I got it but I think it was either cheaper then dirt or apex

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

It's possible, but you will likely need to go with a Texas Dogleg system to replace the receiver cover. I have gone that route, and added the peep sight in front of a one piece TMS scope mount with Nikon glass. The setup allows me to use the irons and still use the scope without it causing cheek weld issues. I will try to post a pic of my setup later on this afternoon.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:02 PM

Gabes kalishni-scout uses a long eye relief scope on an ultimak, mounted on 1 inch burris tactical rings. He claims that the 1" rings have holes that let you sight the irons through them below the scope. Link

Personally I think its an OK build, but the forearm is more tacticool than useful. On a scout rifle id rather have a lightweight plastic forearm than 5 miles of rail, a light plastic 20-round mag, and a lighter stock, preferably folding for an easier time humping it and moving with it. But, hes selling it, so a certain amount of bells and whistles are required to sell to the mall ninjas.

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#6 benjiboy

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 05:23 PM

Good luck finding one. All the mounts i have seen sacrifice your cheek weld on the stock and turns it into your chin resting on it. I opted for a quick release side mount with a red dot. Have Another mount with a scope on it. Never any issues holding zero after 6-7k rounds. Taken on and off hundreds of times.


Any pics of your setup? I am leaning towards two mounts for scope and red dot (for fun) so I can stay zeroed. It is looking like I'm either shooting scoped or removing for iron sights.


I got a MTK-83 from belarus on mine with a cheapo 4x32 scope works alright but takes some getting used to seeing how it makes you feel like a lil kid trying to look over something to use it... as far as accuracy or how long it will last I dunno havent shot it enough to really give a good answer... was having a lil trouble with screws backing out and loosing zero havent shot it yet after fix... (in the middle of conversion) not lookin good to get to range for a while yet need more parts to keep atf happy... dont remember where I got it but I think it was either cheaper then dirt or apex


Pics? Very curious about the cheek weld...


It's possible, but you will likely need to go with a Texas Dogleg system to replace the receiver cover. I have gone that route, and added the peep sight in front of a one piece TMS scope mount with Nikon glass. The setup allows me to use the irons and still use the scope without it causing cheek weld issues. I will try to post a pic of my setup later on this afternoon.


Hmm...haven't done much searching yet but I would be open to the Texas Dogleg. What is a round about price for one of those dust covers for the x39?


Gabes kalishni-scout uses a long eye relief scope on an ultimak, mounted on 1 inch burris tactical rings. He claims that the 1" rings have holes that let you sight the irons through them below the scope. Link

Personally I think its an OK build, but the forearm is more tacticool than useful. On a scout rifle id rather have a lightweight plastic forearm than 5 miles of rail, a light plastic 20-round mag, and a lighter stock, preferably folding for an easier time humping it and moving with it. But, hes selling it, so a certain amount of bells and whistles are required to sell to the mall ninjas.


Yeah, I am not a fan after looking at it. The iron sights are not what I had invisioned and I totally agree lighter and fewer over what he has equipped there.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 09:11 PM

I'd like to have a higher scope mount also. I'm still good with irons but I'd like to have a side-mount to move among rifles just as a spotter scope.
Shoot with irons....check my hit with the scope...
In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter?

#8 benjiboy

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 04:31 PM

Well, I picked up a dust cover mounted scope rail today but after some research am taking it right back...looks like I'm getting two 'standard' side rail mounts; one for red dot one for scope to keep them both zeroed. Gimme your side rail mount recommendations.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:12 PM

http://forum.saiga-1...ies-side-mount/ Midwest industries makes a good one. Low, solid, but in the $110.00 price range I have never been a co-witness fan due to having had optics I could'nt see through while hunting, and have had over under sights and by the time I looked through the optic and switched to irons the shot was gone, and I never had a good position for one or the other. This way if it's rainy, steamy, muddy. Snowing and one breath would make an optic useless. Keep it in a bag. I actially have 2 UTG/Leapers gen5 QD side mount and have had no issues with the 2 I have. http://store.carolin...-PROFILE/Detail Take them off every time my guns go in the safe and always keep zero.A few have had issues with the rear scope rings needing shimming. Just a few. I really want the Midwest mount.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 05:39 PM

I use an UTG gen5 QD side mount myself.

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 11:37 PM

I have a red dot using the UTG mount. It doesn't allow the iron sights to be used. I just ordered a UTG PRO low profile mount to use with a Leopold VX-R scope I just picked up. The description for the mount says the top is "U-cut on Top for See-thru Application with Iron Sights" so it sounds like it sits pretty low. $59.95 http://store.carolin...6-U978S-/Detail

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#12 philip271

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 12:40 AM

I tried a UTG/Leapers gen5 QD side mount but it doesn't sit centered on my Saiga 7.62. It's off to the left by 1/2 to 1 inch. Is it the same for you guys or ?

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 01:54 AM

I tried a UTG/Leapers gen5 QD side mount but it doesn't sit centered on my Saiga 7.62. It's off to the left by 1/2 to 1 inch. Is it the same for you guys or ?

it's just slightly to the left of center on my 09 saiga x39. It's definitely less then an inch but it's at least a couple MM to the left.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 05:49 AM

UTG quad rail allows co-witness of iron sights.

How about 45 degree angle mounts?

#15 rnemhrd

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:30 AM

My utg mounts are centered on my S12 and 7.62. Funny thing it if I switch from gun to gun windage is the same at 50yds, only elevation is off. Doe'nt ask me why I tried that.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 11:10 PM

My utg mounts are centered on my S12 and 7.62. Funny thing it if I switch from gun to gun windage is the same at 50yds, only elevation is off. Doe'nt ask me why I tried that.


I plan on trying the red dot that's currently sighted in for my 7.62x39 on my .223 the next time I go to the range just to see how far off it is between the 2 rifles.

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:14 AM

Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Imagehere those pics... their cheap and cheek weld suffers a lil bit but you get used to it. I can shoot it good enuff to kill coyotes neways

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:33 AM

In regards to a red dot, the PK-01v is low enough to allow cowitness of the irons.

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#19 benjiboy

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 10:32 PM

I have a red dot using the UTG mount. It doesn't allow the iron sights to be used. I just ordered a UTG PRO low profile mount to use with a Leopold VX-R scope I just picked up. The description for the mount says the top is "U-cut on Top for See-thru Application with Iron Sights" so it sounds like it sits pretty low. $59.95 http://store.carolin...6-U978S-/Detail


I just bought the same one...here's hoping, at minimum, its centered on the gun and, wishful thinking, I can actually use the irons sights like they claim.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:28 PM

My UTG Pro came in. It does allow the iron sights to be used through a V notch in the mount when it is mounted. I haven't purchased my scope rings yet because I was waiting for the mount to get here to take it with me to shop for rings.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:07 PM

Looks good! I bought the same one and installed it along with my red dot. My mount was slightly (1/8") off center (to the right) but didn't seem to make a difference. Hold zero pretty well but I CAN NOT use the irons with the red dot mounted. The mount itself is great but the flat mounting surface of the red dot blocks the irons.
Make sure you get proper rings!

My UTG Pro came in. It does allow the iron sights to be used through a V notch in the mount when it is mounted. I haven't purchased my scope rings yet because I was waiting for the mount to get here to take it with me to shop for rings.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 08:30 PM

Posted ImagePosted ImagePosted Imagehere those pics... their cheap and cheek weld suffers a lil bit but you get used to it. I can shoot it good enuff to kill coyotes neways

Please don't take offense to this but....you have to convert that gun and get rid of that scope mount/scope. That setup is one of the ugliest I have seen. lol. Just kidding, whatever floats your boat.
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#23 rnemhrd

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:37 AM

My UTG Pro came in. It does allow the iron sights to be used through a V notch in the mount when it is mounted. I haven't purchased my scope rings yet because I was waiting for the mount to get here to take it with me to shop for rings.

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I looked at that and the issue I saw was where the mount fits in the rail channel to index it, it is going to block the V they mill out to see through as it has to go across the rail channel.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 10:00 AM

http://www.aimsurplu...m&groupid=64 I think by far the best setup out...I am saving for it...built in rear sight with a rail to mount a scope on or red dot while retaining a good cheekweld

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

I looked at that and the issue I saw was where the mount fits in the rail channel to index it, it is going to block the V they mill out to see through as it has to go across the rail channel.


Yeah, you're right. Some rings may allow the notch to be used but most won't. I'm mounting a 1.25-4x scope on it. I don't really foresee needing to use my iron sights with this scope. This mount does sit lower than my other UTG mount and that's what I was looking for, a low sitting mount for my scope.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:53 AM

RS Regulate should be coming out with their Acog side mount any day now, and I believe next up from them is a dedicated 30mm scope mount.

http://www.rsregulate.com/products.php

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:50 PM

This is the optic I use and works great. http://kalinkaoptics...ak-version.html
Still able to use irons without any issues while the scope is mounted. Also I remove the scope after every range trip(it does not fit in my packed safe well with the scope on) and it holds zero perfect every time!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:28 AM

Pics just released yesterday.

http://www.theakforu...p?f=11&t=188849

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:32 AM

Pics just released yesterday.

http://www.theakforu...p?f=11&t=188849

That looks good. Well it does say you can use different uppers and the same lower, so I guess we will see if it stays tight with blue thread locker.That is my only concern with it.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 12:16 AM

Hmm, i like the look of that. Might have to get one for my 22". Next trick is finding a cheap but decent 4x scope.




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