MT Predator 2,294 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 A friend forward this to me as I don't have Facebook. Just released on their Facebook page, not even on their website yet. (Text from the Facebook page) Black Aces Tactical is very proud to present to the public what we've been working on in secret for months. What you see before you is our Pro Series receiver retrofit kit rapid prototype. Our machined prototypes are due by mid December. These retrofit kits allow the average shotgun operator to replace their old oem receiver with our kit, and now be fed by Saiga 12 magazines! That's right! You'll be able to run 8, 10, and 12 round stick mags along with the 12 and 20 round drums. All readily available and off the shelf. Here's the trick part. This receiver kit will accept your stock, trigger group, barrel, forend, mag tube, etc. All that's need is to swap over the components and you have yourself a magfed shotgun! We're currently producing protoytpes for the: Mossberg 500/590 Remington 870 Maverick 88 Mossberg 930 Remington 1100 Each PATENT PENDING kit includes: Pro Series Receiver New hardened firing Pin New hardened bolt New hardened slide Magwell bridge Magazine latch Feed ramp Replacement magazine tube (870 and 1100 only) Steel buffer tube threaded insert (930 only) Best of all the price is FAR below what other magazine fed shotguns cost. Our anticipated retail cost of the complete kit is only $299, but for our facebook friends, we will offer the for only $279! We expect to release them after the new year, but I will keep everyone updated. Of course being that this is a receiver and essentially a shotgun, this requires an FFL to ship to. As normal, you guys know the drill. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D.C.MORRISON 494 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 interesting. but..... still a pump gun i'm sure there will be a market for them. one of the scariest reoccurring thoughts that i have ever had, is of having to reload a traditional tube mag shotgun in a high stress "oh shit!" situation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigj480 203 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) interesting. but..... still a pump gun The Mossberg 930 and Remington 1100 are autoloaders. I think it pretty damn awesome. I have a few mag fed pumps and where it's really nice is when you go SBS. Auto loading super shorty with saiga mags? Yes please! it's about time. Edited December 2, 2012 by bigj480 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 While this isnt for me, I like the fact that many options are available for us gun owners. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
schultze13 354 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Damn it now there is something else I have to buy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Cool, but the receiver cost is more than a new Mossberg Persuader. Novel idea, I'm sure they will sell. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 by the time you have the pump gun and this kit you are within about $50 of having a saiga 12... That leaves the only possible upside as one of the autoloaders having better gas management to be able to switch from light loads to full house 3" without changing settings. Oh wait, the autoloaders are about a grand to start with... So the only way this makes sense is if you are a fanboy of the gun you are adapting to make a kludgy saiga. It's like buying a chevy cavalier and then adding a v-8 and converting to rear wheel drive. Sure you could, with a bunch of changes... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madmax4x4 68 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Would be a cool A.O.W. for folks in states that can't have SBS's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Kenny 144 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Weeeeeell, I suppose that if you had a fubared 1100 receiver it'd be worth the effort to convert... an 1100 is about the only gun with a better gas system than a stock Saiga. But I think I'll just stick a Tac47 Autoplug in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Ive seen moss 930's running very good. If the mags can be made to run good as well this could be a good alternative to a saiga. The moss 930 is very easy to find unlike the saiga 12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ram123 17 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 I tired to send them an email and it got sent back to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
romad7 75 Posted January 25, 2013 Report Share Posted January 25, 2013 Would be a cool A.O.W. for folks in states that can't have SBS's. That's an interesting idea, I guess I could get this and chop my 500 and save the SBS tax and just register it as an AOW. That would pay for much of the new receiver. Sounds fun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lone Star Arms 2,047 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Would be a cool A.O.W. for folks in states that can't have SBS's. That's an interesting idea, I guess I could get this and chop my 500 and save the SBS tax and just register it as an AOW. That would pay for much of the new receiver. Sounds fun. Paperwork and tax stamp FIRST, then mods That does sound like fun! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brad cole 65 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 I was put on the pre order list in the first week of december, for a multi unit buy. spoke with them in detail and was stoked about these. being in Michigan I loved the aow possibilities. Have not heard a thing from them and also cannot reach anyone since the whole craziness hit our firearm community. If I hear any new info I will post here. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 At least two legit companies sell legit S12 AOWs, so I don't really see the need to do a kludgy longer AOW to get to the same place. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
uzitiger 193 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) by the time you have the pump gun and this kit you are within about $50 of having a saiga 12... That leaves the only possible upside as one of the autoloaders having better gas management to be able to switch from light loads to full house 3" without changing settings. Oh wait, the autoloaders are about a grand to start with... So the only way this makes sense is if you are a fanboy of the gun you are adapting to make a kludgy saiga. It's like buying a chevy cavalier and then adding a v-8 and converting to rear wheel drive. Sure you could, with a bunch of changes... Actually I did see a Ford Focus where someone added a V8 engine and rear wheel drive that someone who worked at Ford in Dearborn modified. It was too front end heavy and the wide tires meant a narrow rear axle. For those who can't get a Saiga this may be the way to go. I also prefer autoloading shotguns but the cost is high on top of the shotgun price and you have two receivers which are considered firearms. Edited June 11, 2015 by uzitiger 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DavidQ 170 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 (edited) I found a guy selling the receiver kits on gunbroker for $99. I thought about picking one up and a new maverick 88 as the donor for it. Would only be about $350 total minus mags. Haven't seen the followers for the saiga mags for sale, only the mags Black aces sell on their website. Pretty pricey at $45 for 10 rounds but I may give it a go. Has anyone here really tried to build one? ETA: Just noticed that the receiver kit comes with a follower and feed lip to modify one mag. I think i will take on this venture this weekend. Edited June 11, 2015 by AZ-DAVE-IZ109 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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