Veper 12: Lemon or POS weapon

[joetira 2]

Went shooting today to break in my Veper 12. I hesitate to call this "thing" a firearm. When shooting birdshot, FTE almost every round. I understand the low pressures these rounds create, doesn't allow the weapon to cycle properly. I didn't mind much, was expecting it, but was kind of hopefull of this "awesome" weapon everyone was talking about to work well.

 

Now to test out some 2 3/4 00 buckshot. FTE about 6/100 rounds I shot. Different brands fire better than others, I know. I was breaking it in, so I let it slide, maybe this weapon just needs to be shot a bit before it works better I thought.

 

Slug time: When firing slugs, the cover would fly open about 7/10 times. WTF, this looks dangerous, so I dissassembled the weapon and put it back together to make sure it was assembled correctly. It was, so don't tell me thats why the Veper 12 was doing this. I decided not to fire any more slugs because I didn't want this russian piece of shit blowing up in my face so I bought 3 00 buck. Same thing would happen, the cover would fly open, but less often than with slugs. The higher power of these rounds obvioulsy have something to do with this exotic malfunction.

 

Bought some more 2 3/4 00 buck, because so far, these are the only rounds that would work properly with this weapon. Same thing happens after firing 5 rounds, cover flys open. I put down my gun pack up my shit and leave. $1000 gun and completely worthless.

 

Should I contact Atlantic Firearms and get a new one because I assume this is a lemon of a weapon? Or are there parts I could buy that would prevent this. If I get these parts would this void any type of warrenty?

[ec4321 113]

1) Prepare your flame suit, the posse around here will come after you for saying anything negative about Veprs, Saigas or any vendor that supplies the industry.

 

2) Register your warranty information here: https://www.wolf-arm..../registration/

 

3) Contact the importer TGI / WOLF Arms and ask for Steve for warranty @ 865-977-9707.

 

 

Also, check your dust cover rail to ensure it is straight and level as well as your front and rear sights to ensure they are not canted or crooked. If you're sending it to TGI for repair, might as well report any and all issues and have it all addressed at once. Saves everyone money.

Edited December 15, 2012 by ec4321

[DresNightfire 39]

First off, how many ounces were your birdshot loads? Anything less than 1 oz in mine does not cycle properly (it will need the reduced recoil spring). The cover flying up is definitely an issue crying for servicing under the warranty. One more range trip for me to make sure it doesn't happen to me as well (last trip the cover popped open). If it happens once more, I will definitely be servicing it as well.

 

If the cover continues to pop open, even after servicing, I will consider trying a recoil buffer from blackjack buffers. I love this gun too much to give up on it.

Edited December 15, 2012 by DresNightfire

[chevyman097 2,579]

1) Prepare your flame suit, the posse around here will come after you for saying anything negative about Veprs, Saigas or any vendor that supplies the industry.

 

2) Register your warranty information here: https://www.wolf-arm..../registration/

 

3) Contact the importer TGI / WOLF Arms and ask for Steve for warranty @ 865-977-9707.

 

 

Also, check your dust cover rail to ensure it is straight and level as well as your front and rear sights to ensure they are not canted or crooked. If you're sending it to TGI for repair, might as well report any and all issues and have it all addressed at once. Saves everyone money.

 

No one has been flamed for asking legitimate questions on how to fix problem with their firearms.

 

 

Went shooting today to break in my Veper 12. I hesitate to call this "thing" a firearm. When shooting birdshot, FTE almost every round. I understand the low pressures these rounds create, doesn't allow the weapon to cycle properly. I didn't mind much, was expecting it, but was kind of hopefull of this "awesome" weapon everyone was talking about to work well.

 

Now to test out some 2 3/4 00 buckshot. FTE about 6/100 rounds I shot. Different brands fire better than others, I know. I was breaking it in, so I let it slide, maybe this weapon just needs to be shot a bit before it works better I thought.

 

Slug time: When firing slugs, the cover would fly open about 7/10 times. WTF, this looks dangerous, so I dissassembled the weapon and put it back together to make sure it was assembled correctly. It was, so don't tell me thats why the Veper 12 was doing this. I decided not to fire any more slugs because I didn't want this russian piece of shit blowing up in my face so I bought 3 00 buck. Same thing would happen, the cover would fly open, but less often than with slugs. The higher power of these rounds obvioulsy have something to do with this exotic malfunction.

 

Bought some more 2 3/4 00 buck, because so far, these are the only rounds that would work properly with this weapon. Same thing happens after firing 5 rounds, cover flys open. I put down my gun pack up my shit and leave. $1000 gun and completely worthless.

 

Should I contact Atlantic Firearms and get a new one because I assume this is a lemon of a weapon? Or are there parts I could buy that would prevent this. If I get these parts would this void any type of warrenty?

 

 

A few questions...

 

 

have you taken apart the gas tube and checked inside to make sure there are proper gas ports?

 

Have you changed out the stock? The stock on mine was less then desirable making the weapon uncomfortable to shoot. loose grips or holds on some of them have proven to cause FTE issues.

 

have you ensured the dust cover has the tab rear to prevent it from popping open? If it does there is obviously a problem and im sure some one will be around with suggestions on how to fix that or you could call in the issue. I have heard of this issue around before but dont recall the reason or fix. Im sure some one does.

 

As with the saiga 12s the VEPRs also have their issues. Some do not, some are minor, some need warranty work.

Edited December 16, 2012 by Chevyman097

[ec4321 113]

No has been flamed for asking legitimate questions on how to fix problem with their firearms.

 

 

Nobody made the claim that they were, strawman.

 

However, folks have been flamed for raising legitimate criticisms of the Vepr-12.

Edited December 16, 2012 by ec4321

[chevyman097 2,579]

1) Prepare your flame suit, the posse around here will come after you for saying anything negative about Veprs, Saigas or any vendor that supplies the industry.

 

 

Your own words.

 

and looking through your post history you seem to like name calling too.

 

 

Just stop trolling.

Edited December 16, 2012 by Chevyman097

[ec4321 113]

I am reading it, my assertions stand.

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

I am still trying to figure out how one would get the dust cover to pop off

[chevyman097 2,579]

I am reading it, my assertions stand.

 

As does mine. The OP posted 5 hours ago and has yet to get flamed.(nor do I expect him to). Get the chip off your shoulder troll.

[ec4321 113]

Hey Dad -

 

There was at least one other member here that reported the dust-cover popping off, I can't recall who it was. It is odd, I haven't had that happen.

 

I wonder if it's something wrong with the recoil spring assembly. The other alternative that I can think of requires a lot more flex in the receiver than i think is possible.

[Lord Ak-47 49]

Just send it back for warranty work.

[thebuns1 4,323]

It very well could be a lemon. Molot isnt perfect. But then again, neither is HK. How sluggish is your action when you cycle it by hand? Mine was rough as shit, but after I shot it a few hundred times it smoothed out like butter now after 360 shells. I'll have FTF issues with shells that are chopped up from being cycled in my pumps and then ran through the Vepr. This is indeed an odd occurance.

[Atlantic Firearms.com 170]

Joetira , please email over your name & phone number we will be glad to contact you about your issues , we have sold a boatload of Vepr 12 and quite honestly the rate of issues if FAR less than the internet chat rooms would lead you to believe. Either way we will be glad to assist in sorting out the issues you are having and getting them resolved . sales@atlanticfirearms.com

 

 

 

 

 

[iteachsurfing 50]

Joetira , please email over your name & phone number we will be glad to contact you about your issues , we have sold a boatload of Vepr 12 and quite honestly the rate of issues if FAR less than the internet chat rooms would lead you to believe. Either way we will be glad to assist in sorting out the issues you are having and getting them resolved . sales@atlanticfirearms.com

 

 

 

Pretty Impressed!

Atlantic seems to really be doing a nice job at Customer Service!!!

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

Joetira , please email over your name & phone number we will be glad to contact you about your issues , we have sold a boatload of Vepr 12 and quite honestly the rate of issues if FAR less than the internet chat rooms would lead you to believe. Either way we will be glad to assist in sorting out the issues you are having and getting them resolved . sales@atlanticfirearms.com

 

 

 

Pretty Impressed!

Atlantic seems to really be doing a nice job at Customer Service!!!

 

Atlantic always does a nice job at Customer Service!!!

[nib 1]

Just put 100 rounds fed dove low brass.

Not a single ftf fte.

 

Hit doubles hit 90 pct of the clays.

 

A+

 

Try different ammo

 

 

[cgp 12]

I've tried all kinds of ammo through mine. All cycled fine with one exception. Full report here

 

http://www.theakforum.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=187253

[DresNightfire 39]

It's great that dove shots and target loads have been cycling but no one is mentioning the weight of the loads (in ounces) that they are using. Please correct me and school me if I'm wrong, and I will own up to it. Is the shot weight or muzzle velocity the most important factor? I've kept my box tops and I've been keeping note of the ones that do and the ones that do not cycle. As I stated before, anything less than 1 oz (ex. Federal 7/8 oz and Winchester 7/8 oz from my experience), in my case, does not have enough gas power to push the bolt back completely to eject the shell reliably, hence an FTE. I am still running the factory recoil spring. If you notice on the Wolf Ammo shotshell page, the shells weights are at least 1 oz in weight:

 

http://www.wolfammo.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4&Itemid=15

Edited December 17, 2012 by DresNightfire

[thebuns1 4,323]

The weakest shells that I have run through mine have all had a dram eq. of 3.

[Reverendfranz 160]

"As I stated before, anything less than 1 oz (ex. Federal 7/8 oz and Winchester 7/8 oz from my experience), in my case, does not have enough gas power to push the bolt back completely to eject the shell reliably, hence an FTE."

 

Both of those rounds were the first thing i purchased to feed my vepr, it ate them flawlessly. I am hardly lucky in life, so i doubt im the only one. It also loves B&P big game rounds, which are a personal favorite.

[PapaZorro 401]

As far as I remember most Vepr-12 design for stable work from the box with 70 mm (3/4') shot shells min 32 g (1.12 Oz - 493 Gr) , and max 76 mm (3' Magnum) shot shells 44 g (1.55 Oz - 679 Gr) without any modification. It was written in Russian Manual. Exception is Vepr-12 for IPSC with 70 mm (3/4') chamber that works from the box with 28 g shot shells.

 

For stable work with 28 g (0.98 Oz - 432 Gr) Vepr-12 needs some adjustments.

[evlblkwpnz 3,418]

The failures are related to at least one of five things.

 

1- weak mystery ammo (low recoil, extra-lite, etc.)

 

2- something wrong with the weapon

 

3- action needs lube

 

4- something is absorbing energy that would be better put to use cycling the weapon

 

5- shooter technique

 

FWIW, mine ran Winchester Universal with very few failures during the first session, if I was firing it. FTEs were increased when others were firing the weapon. Energy that would be cycling the action is lost when the weapon is allowed to move backwards. Pull the weapon into the chest firmly and lean forward with your weight centered on your forward foot as if you are resisting a force that is coming from the front. See if that helps. This technique will also reduce the amount that it is allowed to "kick" you.

Edited December 18, 2012 by evlblkwpnz

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

Energy that would be cycling the action is lost when the weapon is allowed to move backwards. Pull the weapon into the chest firmly and lean forward with your weight centered on your forward foot as if you are resisting a force that is coming from the front. See if that helps. This technique will also reduce the amount that it is allowed to "kick" you.

 

Majority of the problem with Saiga's as well in my opinion. I may be a little weird, but I love the kick

[DresNightfire 39]

As far as I remember most Vepr-12 design for stable work from the box with 70 mm (3/4') shot shells min 32 g (1.12 Oz - 493 Gr) , and max 76 mm (3' Magnum) shot shells 44 g (1.55 Oz - 679 Gr) without any modification. It was written in Russian Manual. Exception is Vepr-12 for IPSC with 70 mm (3/4') chamber that works from the box with 28 g shot shells.

 

For stable work with 28 g (0.98 Oz - 432 Gr) Vepr-12 needs some adjustments.

 

Thank you for this PapaZorro!!! This is truly valuable information for Vepr-12 owners.

[presto_z 125]

Mine cycles great with low brass

[ec4321 113]

Nice Vid Presto. Love the trigger work.

[evlblkwpnz 3,418]

Excellent example of proper shooting technique at 1:02. My stance is slightly different, but the physics of it are the same. We are not all the same and there will be some variation in what might feel "natural" from one shooter to the next. As long as the very basic principles are applied, the results should be similar. Very well done and those few seconds of footage alone are a great contribution.

[presto_z 125]

Excellent example of proper shooting technique at 1:02. My stance is slightly different, but the physics of it are the same. We are not all the same and there will be some variation in what might feel "natural" from one shooter to the next. As long as the very basic principles are applied, the results should be similar. Very well done and those few seconds of footage alone are a great contribution.

 

Thanks, its amazing what a difference a proper stance makes, but im actually the other guy in the video lol.. Did you notice the rear sight @1:02?

[DresNightfire 39]

Are you saying that hip-firing this weapon or the Saiga 12 is absolutely frowned upon or will just hip-firing the weapon decrease the reliability of cycling?

[thebuns1 4,323]

Hip firing CAN rob the weapon of power used to cycle the operation. Not that it WILL do so every time.