Liberal hypocracy

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

Come in for work this morning, and get hit with a statement from a firefighter another how he's happy to see that Barry is going after my guns.

 

So with my quick wits I fire back with this question. Explain to me how Libtards can support abortion, which has killed millions of children, but because of a mental lunatic, shooting school children, they want to trample our 2nd Ammendment rights?

 

His response was one has nothing to do with the other, and I'm trying to polarize the debate.

 

I told him there is no debate, and that with out the 2nd Ammendment all of the rest of the Constitution would fail to provide any freedom. He left shaking his head at me, saying I might be right about that, but he's ok with it like the majority of Americans are.

 

I had this arguement with a Libtards minded firefighter this morning at shift change, and I'm so fucking pissed off I could spit nails right now. Needless to say this ass hat. Voted for Barry.

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

Yep they are out there, more everyday. You should remind him next time that liberals think everyone can be rehabilitated and that Mental facilities are bad and hurt people. There is a reason why some people should not be allowed to run around.

[aka_mythos 35]

Maybe its futile to try to find common ground but as firefighters surely you can both appreciate the presence of smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in homes and schools in preventing incidences from getting out of control and in that same vein the presence of firearms simply serve the same pragmatic and expedient purpose but against violence.

 

We've had two major tragedies this year, where we had a number of individuals who died at the hands of murderers while protecting others. My problem with the gun-control proponents is that they would insist that these individuals remain unarmed and defensless regardless of if they saw this coming. In every other form of emergency service, there is a clear acceptance that having on hand at a scene an individual who can render aid is better than nothing... but not for violence. Whether its first aid kits and defibulators, CPR, or fire extinguishers there is an acceptance that immidiate assistance in any degree increases the likelyhood of a more positive resolution. That's the real hypocrisy and betrayel of rational thought.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Mythos

[D-H 20]

Given that you are a firefighter, you may find this interesting:

 

http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossman-to-cops-The-enemy-is-denial/

[yakdung 2,926]

Not to try and force this discussion in a different direction, Republicans are just as bad when it comes down to wanting to remove your gun rights:

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/15/after-columbine-gop-nearly-passed-new-gun-control-an-insider-account/

[timy 1,185]

Maybe its futile to try to find common ground but as firefighters surely you can both appreciate the presence of smoke detectors and fire extinguishers in homes and schools in preventing incidences from getting out of control and in that same vein the presence of firearms simply serve the same pragmatic and expedient purpose but against violence.

 

We've had two major tragedies this year, where we had a number of individuals who died at the hands of murderers while protecting others. My problem with the gun-control proponents is that they would insist that these individuals remain unarmed and defensless regardless of if they saw this coming. In every other form of emergency service, there is a clear acceptance that having on hand at a scene an individual who can render aid is better than nothing... but not for violence. Whether its first aid kits and defibulators, CPR, or fire extinguishers there is an acceptance that immidiate assistance in any degree increases the likelyhood of a more positive resolution. That's the real hypocrisy and betrayel of rational thought.

 

What you say makes sense of course. However, everyone needs to realize that the government's intention here is not the protection of it's citizens. The sole purpose of these "feel good, gun free zones" is to allow horrors like this to happen and then capitalize on the public outrage to further restrict rights of law abiding citizens.

 

I don't believe the government actually recruits these lunatics, but they damn sure intentionally make it as easy as possible for them to commit their atrocities with little chance of intervention or resistance.

[SgtRaven 531]

What will be happening next is not a "knee jerk", but a carefully planned attack on 2nd Amendment and our Constitutional Rights to Keep and Bear, just waited for a full scale, catastrophic event, such as this massacre.

 

Look how it all happened in UK and Australia.

 

And while Liberals exploiting the tragedy for their gains, we must stand united and fight for our Freedoms.

Otherwise, we're no better than bent over, disarmed, defenseless and toothless sheeps, crying for their lost freedoms under socialists' rule.

 

Loosely paraphrasing: In the society where guns are banned, only oppressive government and criminals have them.

 

Sign the petition here:

https://petitions.wh...ragedy/VBpRRMPR

 

 

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:

 

We ask President Obama to support law abiding gun owners in this time of tragedy.

 

We ask President Obama to stand with law abiding gun owners in this time of tragedy. Guns laws could not have prevented Adam Lanza from killing 27 innocents. The real question is what made this disturbed young man into a murderer of children. Where is the outrage at the violent video games he played? A piece of plastic and steel doesn't have a will Mr. President. Evil is not law abiding, and Adam Lanza stole those guns after failing to buy one legally. it is America's law abiding gun owners who would have died with Victoria Soto and Dawn Hochsprung defending the children with only our bodies on December 14th, because it was already illegal to bring a gun into that school. Please don't pander to the politics Mr. President. A feeding frenzy of new gun legislation is not the answer.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Sgt. Raven

[chevyman097 2,579]

America....where people defend the right to kill an unborn child, and the right of a killer to live.

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

Not to try and force this discussion in a different direction, Republicans are just as bad when it comes down to wanting to remove your gun rights:

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/15/after-columbine-gop-nearly-passed-new-gun-control-an-insider-account/

 

This not a partisan issue, it's a Libtards vs. 2nd Ammendment issue. There a certainly a number of them in the Republican party. Speaking of Republicans. Lincoln was supposedly one, and didn't he cause the civil war over states rights? Shouldn't he have been against big government and the power of the Fed over states rights?

[Paulyski 2,227]

Dude, it's about fucking hopeless.

Just ask one of these mindless fucktards how they'd solve it.

I asked one when she rudely butted into my conversation with someone, and she actually lost her mind.

 

I asked her what she'd do about all the people who swore to defend the constitution against ALL enemies BOTH foreign AND domestic... And if she'd subject them to summary exicutions by police and ATF during confiscation raids...

Her response was to lose all ability to think, and she just repeatedly babbled "There's too many guns! There's too many guns! There's too many guns! I don't know how to solve it! There;'s too many guns!"

During this exchange, my hand slightly touched her arm to calm her while we spoke, as she had moved very very close to me... (I was sitting at the time) and she was so flustered that she nearly freaked out and about YELLED "Don't hit me! Don't hit me" as if I were beating the shit out of her.

The back of 3 finger nails barely (and very softly) touched her arm when we spoke, and that translated to assault to this stupid bitch as she literally lost all ability for any and all rational thought. She was in a state of utter hysteria. It was both fascinating as well as terrifying at the same time.

 

People used to ask "How could the German people let it happen" after WWII... Well, look around.

This is how.

We have our "elected" officials, and propagandist media to blame.

 

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wN0N6GiGkw

[Spartacus 1,619]

America....where people defend the right to kill an unborn child, and the right of a killer to live.

 

It's amazing the blank looks you get when you say you are Pro-life and also Pro-gun, right?

 

I have yet to figure out why if a mugger attacks a woman and she miscarries, the bad guy gets charged with murder of the fetus, but if the mugger is also an abortion doctor, he can have her step into his clinic (maybe 10 feet away) and he can cause her to miscarry legally. Oh yeah, because the second time it's her choice. So as long as it's her choice, he can murder the fetus. That liberal logic thing always throws me.

[yakdung 2,926]

Not to try and force this discussion in a different direction, Republicans are just as bad when it comes down to wanting to remove your gun rights:

http://www.humaneven...nsider-account/

 

This not a partisan issue, it's a Libtards vs. 2nd Ammendment issue. There a certainly a number of them in the Republican party. Speaking of Republicans. Lincoln was supposedly one, and didn't he cause the civil war over states rights? Shouldn't he have been against big government and the power of the Fed over states rights?

I've always scratched my head concerning Lincoln. Responsible for killing more Americans than any other President. Folks seem to want to overlook that.

[Jpanzer 1,265]

Not to try and force this discussion in a different direction, Republicans are just as bad when it comes down to wanting to remove your gun rights:

http://www.humaneven...nsider-account/

 

This not a partisan issue, it's a Libtards vs. 2nd Ammendment issue. There a certainly a number of them in the Republican party. Speaking of Republicans. Lincoln was supposedly one, and didn't he cause the civil war over states rights? Shouldn't he have been against big government and the power of the Fed over states rights?

I've always scratched my head concerning Lincoln. Responsible for killing more Americans than any other President. Folks seem to want to overlook that.

 

Rant On....

 

Lincoln was a war criminal and a despotic tyrant, who used race to polarize the Northern voters and politicize his violations of the Constitution. I get so damn sick of him being portrayed as a liberator of the poor defenseless slave and a man worthy of being worshiped. This is the same Lincoln who once said "If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it,..." and "What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union...".

 

Lincoln violated the Constitution on several notable occasions:

1. First of all coercion in 1861, which was a violation of Article 4. And of course that's where Lincoln tried to coerce the South into fighting and of course into surrendering to him basically.
    
   
2. Lincoln violated the Constitution when he violated the Laws of Neutrality, which was the Trent Affair, Article 6, Clause 2, which was a violation of international law.
    
   
3. He suspended the Writ of Habeas Corpus, Article 1, Section 9, Clause 2.
    
   
4. He declared war without the consent of Congress in 1861, which is a violation of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 11 and 12.
    
   
5. He made West Virginia a State in violation of Article 4, Section 3, Clause 1. He just separated Virginia and made West Virginia a State all by himself.
    
   
6. He denied the freedom of speech in the Valandeham Imprisonment, which was a violation of the first Amendment.
    
   
7. He blockaded Ports of the States that were held by the Federal government to still be in the Union. You don't block your own Ports.
    
   
8. The Liberty of the Press was taken away - that is a violation of the First Amendment.
    
   
9. Violation of the Fugitive slave law, which was violation of Article 4, Section 2, Clause 3.
   

My family suffered firsthand due to the minions this hypocritical political shark turned against his former countrymen. If I could dig one bastard up out of the hole they threw him in and piss all over him it would be Lincoln without a doubt.

 

Rant off.....

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

Not a Sherman fan I take it?

[Jpanzer 1,265]

Not a Sherman fan I take it?

 

HELL NO!

[U.S. Pratorean 1,234]

Not a Sherman fan I take it?

 

HELL NO!

Ummm, yeah Uncle Billy not a favorite in the South. Understandable though.

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

Sorry, could not resist

[Ronin38 2,117]

In every other form of emergency service, there is a clear acceptance that having on hand at a scene an individual who can render aid is better than nothing... but not for violence. Whether its first aid kits and defibulators, CPR, or fire extinguishers there is an acceptance that immidiate assistance in any degree increases the likelyhood of a more positive resolution.

 

Mythos, that is dead-on! I will remember this for future discussions. I have used the example of a fire extinguisher many times, and it does seem to get the point across.

[liberty -r- death 1,445]

Something else to use for an arguement now that I have a calmer head. . .

 

If control work so well . . . Then Chicago, New York city, and Washington D.C. should be the safest cities on the planet.

Edited December 18, 2012 by liberty -r- death

[Ronin38 2,117]

^ Good points. Too bad Bloomberg can't figure that out.

[nlacy 692]

Given that you are a firefighter, you may find this interesting:

 

http://www.policeone...nemy-is-denial/

 

I read this and it was right on. “How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years? Kids killed... school fire... North America... 50 years... How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century. Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”

 

The article says we have done an excellent job of keeping kids safe from fire in schools. Fire drills, smoke detectors, sprinkler systems, fire proof walls, ceilings, you name it it's hard to get it to burn. But we have done very little when it comes to protecting our kids from crazys. Def worth the read.

[ironhead7544 35]

A CCW is used to carry emergency life saving equipment. I think any fireman could understand that.

[tobafa 19]

Given that you are a firefighter, you may find this interesting:

 

http://www.policeone...nemy-is-denial/

 

I read this and it was right on. “How many kids have been killed by school fire in all of North America in the past 50 years? Kids killed... school fire... North America... 50 years... How many? Zero. That’s right. Not one single kid has been killed by school fire anywhere in North America in the past half a century. Now, how many kids have been killed by school violence?”

 

The article says we have done an excellent job of keeping kids safe from fire in schools. Fire drills, smoke detectors, sprinkler systems, fire proof walls, ceilings, you name it it's hard to get it to burn. But we have done very little when it comes to protecting our kids from crazys. Def worth the read.

 

Lt Dave Grossman and Phil Chalmers are the guys the media should be looking to regarding violence in schools. Makes me glad I work with firefighters in my city who aren't as anti freedom as the OP's...

[benelli 54]

I think we can all agree that Government is the problem. Democrat and Republican parties both get their carte blanche from the people who elect them which is actually closer to a minority event than a "We the People" one. What percentage of registered voters do NOT vote? What entity stands for them? That would be The Freedom Ghost- the intangible Idea and belief that we all have the power and right to determine our own destiny. I may agree with Republican positions generally but I cannot support a party that refuses to fight and I mean fight agressively for our freedoms. And so, when it comes to a head, I will stand to the death with any one willing to advance the Constitution over tyranny. The Taliban is already in charge here and it must be stopped. Rise up and be counted.

[Venia 249]

America....where people defend the right to kill an unborn child, and the right of a killer to live.

 

That about sums it up.

[SgtRaven 531]

You can follow up here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/share-your-thoughts-reducing-gun-violence

 

I did.

[timy 1,185]

Not a Sherman fan I take it?

 

I like Sherman tanks. Does that count?

[SgtRaven 531]

Dianne Feinstein has released details for her proposed 2013 Assault Weapons Ban. This new Assault Weapons Ban is far more restrictive than the 1994 law she helped to pass. This new law will ban many popular handguns, rifles and shotguns and will require registration for most gun owners. Please get involved to stop this legislation now.

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Greetings,

Due to the recent events at Sandy Hook elementary school we now face renewed threats to our Constitutional rights. While I understand how painful the loss must be for those touched by this tragedy, blaming firearms or their owners and punishing them is not the answer to the challenges we face as a nation.

We already have laws that were violated by a man who was likely psychotic and heavily medicated. This man was stopped by the mandatory background check from purchasing firearms. He then decided to murder his mother and take her legally owned firearms to commit this tragedy.

If your true goal is to protect our children, then enact legislation that will do that. Banning firearms that are rarely used in crime (less than 1% of the time) is not going to stop such tragedies, that was proven in 1999 when the Columbine shooting took place under the 1994 ban. Do something meaningful, please. Make committing the insane easier. Put armed security guards in our schools. But do not strip us of our rights and property by passing additional anti-gun laws that have historically had no positive effect on crime in our nation or others.

Thank you.

 

 

Watch this:

Edited December 30, 2012 by Sgt. Raven

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Liberal Hypocrisy

 

Michael Moore, "Gun owners, we're all a bunch of scared white racists whiteys"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-guns-because-too-many-white-people-are-afraid-of-black-people-the-6-most-inflamatory-parts-of-michael-moores-latest-blog-post/

 

So he must be a "Scared white racist if his bodyguards need guns?"

And his bodyguards carry illegally?

Do you think his buddy Bloomberg will give him a pass?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html#ixzz2FnQC65J3

[SgtRaven 531]

Liberal Hypocrisy

 

Michael Moore, "Gun owners, we're all a bunch of scared white racists whiteys"

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/why-guns-because-too-many-white-people-are-afraid-of-black-people-the-6-most-inflamatory-parts-of-michael-moores-latest-blog-post/

 

So he must be a "Scared white racist if his bodyguards need guns?"

And his bodyguards carry illegally?

Do you think his buddy Bloomberg will give him a pass?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,144921,00.html#ixzz2FnQC65J3

Sure he will!

 

And so the Witch of Commiefornia, a.k.a. "Di-Fi": she was busy disarming the State while carrying (CCW).

If liberal logic applies, she must have AK stashed under her bed; right next to her high speed/low drag broomstick.

 

Got to love exhibited libtards' creativity:ban the duct tape next!

Edited December 30, 2012 by Sgt. Raven