chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Found this on another board. Just wanted to pass it along. Its a little positive to think about despite all the recent negative stuff going on. This Texas school district is on the right track. Maybe others will follow suit. http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/12/14/4486104/texas-school-where-teachers-carry.html 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Venia 249 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 A model for the nation. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shankspony 40 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 (edited) It's an odd thought. I think it is in the right direction, but from a regulation standpoint, where will that stop? Higher education facilities? Corporate or state government offices? What if said CHL/CCL holder goes off the deep end? A student steals their weapon? Ack... all sorts of questions. I'm for it though. This plan was proposed in 2008... I had not heard about it. Edited December 17, 2012 by Shankspony Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BpS12 512 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Shankspony, if such happens, there will be others there to stop it. Before it becomes a GFZ massacre. I think that those wanting to get trained and carry should. I also believe that gun safes should be utlized by those dealing with "inquisitive little hands" as well. In schools, a firearm could very much be akin to a fire extinguisher(though more strictly stored) in that you may or may not ever need it. Access to a secured personal firearm may have saved alot of lives the otger day. Esp, Miss Soto's. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I sure hope these goes through properly, and like Venia said, becomes a model for other states to follow suit. I don't find it an odd thought at all. Hell, I can't believe we're just now getting to this point. I would've thought after the spate 1999-2002 series of school shootings this would have been implemented at least in the free states. There are plenty of ways to mitigate those risks and still use this method to provide adequate security. Simply ensuring that proper holsters and concealment is used would eliminate the majority of concerns regarding retention. Annual evaluations of the participating teacher's mental health would eliminate the majority of concerns regarding them snapping or otherwise using the gun for other than defensive purposes. Personally, I think any school with <300 students should have at least one armed guard on site... and any school with >300 students should have at least a 2 person security team, armed with rifles and body armor with their sole purpose to react to an attempted mass shooting. We don't need to have TSA type entry security, razor wire or barred windows. Those kinds of precautions only sway the undetermined. We do need an on-site armed response. That should be without question. Whether we should or shouldn't have to have these sorts of contingencies isn't an argument against them. We can only change the social and mental state of the nation gradually. We must act to protect our children, NOW. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chevyman097 2,579 Posted December 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 This plan was proposed in 2008... I had not heard about it. I noticed that too. I was trying to cross refrence it or find some more into it and came across a 2008 posting. I couldnt find anything else recent, so Im not sure if its just a repeat, update, or just went through. I dont know... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pyzik 597 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 Michigan is waiting on the Governor to sign legislature that passed the House and Senate to allow concealed carry in public schools as well (with additional training above and beyond training needed to obtain the concealed pistol license). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun12 205 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 This is the kind of thinking that will save lives. If they were to also allow students and teachers on college campuses to conceal carry then i would feel even safer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
devildogdakota 804 Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 It's an odd thought. I think it is in the right direction, but from a regulation standpoint, where will that stop? Higher education facilities? Corporate or state government offices? What if said CHL/CCL holder goes off the deep end? A student steals their weapon? Ack... all sorts of questions. I'm for it though. This plan was proposed in 2008... I had not heard about it. Have you or anyone else heard of a CCW holder going off of the deep end? I never have. Not to say it may have not have happened in the past. If it did, I'll bet anything the percentage is extremely, extremely low. Probably better odds of winning the lotto four or five times in someone's life. When I got my NV and UT CCW's, they did quite the extensive background check and I didn't get my permits until at least 5 months after I passed the 8hr classroom test and target qualification. I think that if a deranged student charged a teacher a struggle would definately engage, giving others more seconds to either flee or charge the thug, which ultimately would give others a much greater chance to live than being cornered by a maniac with lots of ammo and magazines. I hope like hell that leglislation gets passed to arm teachers and they set up entry and exit way metal detectors in schools. I think they should also give the teachers a paid extensive training course with proficency on the handgun of their choice a few times a year, with simulating a situation involving multiple students with one armed thug. While I'm at it, lets get rid of the Brady bunch and all the other anti-gun government funded lobbyists and funnel that cash towards buying brand new pistols, mags, and ammo for all the sane (not libtarded) teachers across America! I know more than a good percentage of school teachers are anti-gun. A majority of them are just plain ignorant and uneducated in the statisics of more guns= less crime. They need to be thoroughly educated on these facts initally as part of their training. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dad2142Dad 6,559 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Need to go talk to my schoolboard 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yakdung 2,926 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Texas. The country everyone seems to be moving to. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NM0 586 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Have you or anyone else heard of a CCW holder going off of the deep end? Media did a good job at making George Zimmerman into a child killing monster. I'm an educator and believe we do need gun law reform...END GUN FREE ZONES NOW. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SaigaKen 338 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 It's an odd thought. I think it is in the right direction, but from a regulation standpoint, where will that stop? Higher education facilities? Corporate or state government offices? What if said CHL/CCL holder goes off the deep end? A student steals their weapon? Ack... all sorts of questions. I'm for it though. This plan was proposed in 2008... I had not heard about it. Have you or anyone else heard of a CCW holder going off of the deep end? I never have. Not to say it may have not have happened in the past. If it did, I'll bet anything the percentage is extremely, extremely low. Probably better odds of winning the lotto four or five times in someone's life. When I got my NV and UT CCW's, they did quite the extensive background check and I didn't get my permits until at least 5 months after I passed the 8hr classroom test and target qualification. I think that if a deranged student charged a teacher a struggle would definately engage, giving others more seconds to either flee or charge the thug, which ultimately would give others a much greater chance to live than being cornered by a maniac with lots of ammo and magazines. I hope like hell that leglislation gets passed to arm teachers and they set up entry and exit way metal detectors in schools. I think they should also give the teachers a paid extensive training course with proficency on the handgun of their choice a few times a year, with simulating a situation involving multiple students with one armed thug. While I'm at it, lets get rid of the Brady bunch and all the other anti-gun government funded lobbyists and funnel that cash towards buying brand new pistols, mags, and ammo for all the sane (not libtarded) teachers across America! I know more than a good percentage of school teachers are anti-gun. A majority of them are just plain ignorant and uneducated in the statisics of more guns= less crime. They need to be thoroughly educated on these facts initally as part of their training. In PA, I got mine due to having a pulse, paying the fee, and passing the background check. No training and to be honest not a whole lotta help or direction as to the Carry laws\rules\regulations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Texas. The country everyone seems to be moving to. I'm to not thrilled about that. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbanzai 113 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Texas. The country everyone seems to be moving to. I'm to not thrilled about that. Fucking A Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WI_Dave 26 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I'm all for carrying everywhere that said can Texas do it? I thought it was prohibited on the federal level in school zones. I hope they can and others follow just curious. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Shankspony 40 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 ... Have you or anyone else heard of a CCW holder going off of the deep end? I never have. Not to say it may have not have happened in the past. If it did, I'll bet anything the percentage is extremely, extremely low. Probably better odds of winning the lotto four or five times in someone's life. When I got my NV and UT CCW's, they did quite the extensive background check and I didn't get my permits until at least 5 months after I passed the 8hr classroom test and target ... While I'm at it, lets get rid of the Brady bunch and all the other anti-gun government funded lobbyists and funnel that cash towards buying brand new pistols, mags, and ammo for all the sane (not libtarded) teachers across America! I know more than a good percentage of school teachers are anti-gun. A majority of them are just plain ignorant and uneducated in the statisics of more guns= less crime. They need to be thoroughly educated on these facts initally as part of their training. No I haven't really. You make a good point. I guess I could say my concern would be more towards the shall/will issue states rather than may issue states (and I'm ignorant as to the particulars of every state out there), but my statement was in general. I'd like to see training required for concealed for sure. I get to do mine on the 22nd. My buddy from WA filled out his ppwk with no training and was issued a permit in short order. TX apparently honors his permit... that's where I get get nervous... no training in a training required state. Bah, it happens with all kinds of certifications though... including driver's licensing and I think that's even more dangerous than a gun for sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
t165 30 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 (edited) I can only wonder if the assistant principal had his firearm closer to him if he could have saved any lives in this school. Edited December 18, 2012 by t165 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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