Remek 771 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Just for curiosity, are records of sales and names kept by dealers? Or do they go into the can after accounting for the cash? I know, I am sure I sound like a real newbie, because I am. The first new gun I purchased was just this last year, all the previous guns having been purchased used or inherited from family. I am assuming they must keep the records permanently, given what I understand about obtaining a C&L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
garnaz 215 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 If you went threw a nics check its on file. F2f no unless bill of sale signed then anyone's guess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Sales receipts are probably up to the owner of the dealer but the FFL transaction books are kept for the life of the business I believe. The 4473's are kept for years also. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
U.S. Pratorean 1,234 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The 4473 form is kept in the dealers bound book on his premises. When he give up his FFL or gets "out of the business" they are supposed to send that bound book in to the BATF. I believe it is supposed to be destroyed at that point but I bet it is filed. Not 100% on that last point. As already mentioned, NICS check= on file. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Remek 771 Posted December 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Thanks guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The 4473 form is kept in the dealers bound book on his premises. When he give up his FFL or gets "out of the business" they are supposed to send that bound book in to the BATF. I believe it is supposed to be destroyed at that point but I bet it is filed. Not 100% on that last point. As already mentioned, NICS check= on file. You have to keep the 4473's for 20 years according to the ATF website. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbanzai 113 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 It'll be the first thing the Russians and Cubans check after they invade. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kresk 10,063 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 It'll be the first thing the Russians and Cubans check after they invade. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TARE 47 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Tritium is correct as to the minimum that a FFL must keep old 4473 forms on file. Others are correct in that if the FFL closes as an FFL the records are supposed to get sent in. Face to face is all up to the paper work done by those involved and the copies they might have made for the other party. If the FFL is audited then the ATF looks at whatever they choose to, it can be quick about one thing, or a complete review of everything. Check the ATF website for more information than you'll ever want to read. Edited December 19, 2012 by TARE Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChileRelleno 7,071 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Anyone who thinks that the ATF doesn't keep a record of every NICS called in is fucking delusional. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
theorangeplanet 968 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Anyone who thinks that the ATF doesn't keep a record of every NICS called in is fucking delusional. Yeah, but there is no specific information passed along about the purchase. In Kentucky, the state police run a monthly NICS check on every CCDW permit holder, therefore the state doesn't require dealers to run checks on permit holders for gun purchases. That's also the reason KY tops out on all of the 'record setting gun sales' reports because they can only go off the number of background checks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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