Tundra1 391 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Finally got out yesterday to shoot my brand new just converted saiga 12. I also installed the low brass reliability kit and V plug. I had a variety of shells to try and everything cycled great except the 3 inch 00 buck shell. I was using the stock 5 rd mag. It seemed as if they weren't even cycling the bolt at all. Had the v plug on setting one per the instructions. Anyone else have issues with the 3 inch shells? The 2 3/4 inch 00 cycled great. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Were you running the 3 in shells with the "low brass reliability kit"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 yes. i installed the low brass kit. spring, puck, and v plug. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I wouldn't run 3 in shells with that setup. May not be the reason they aren't cycling but I'd still be weary of that. Even the 2 3/4 buckshot would scare me. How did it shoot before the low brads kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 I honestly never fired it with the stock set up. When I converted it I put the kit in. Why can't the heavier shells be used with this set up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 It's a low brass reliability kit. You are firing high brass. I'd be concerned about damage to your weapon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DNR 20 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 yea I wished you fired it stock - so you can baseline how the saiga 12 works prior to any mods, then you do one mod at a time to test it out. I don't have a low-brass kit, so can't comment. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted January 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 Ya maybe I'll put the heavier spring back in and see how that works with the v plug. What type of damage could I have caused from firing the heavy loads? All in all I only fired 5 of the 3 in 00 buck and 5 of the 2 3/4 00. The rest was target loads. What kind of damage should I look for now. Im kinda worried. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sapper1371usmc 107 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 If it doesn't cycle on setting one, then adjust it till it does. Those instructions are generic and shouldn't be construed as a one size fits all. Every gun is different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sapper1371usmc 107 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 (edited) It could cause the bolt carrier to slam into the rear trunnion harder than it should. Your probably okay though. The v-plugs settings limit how much gas flow is applied to the gas puck. But I'm not a fan of those bandaid kits. If your gun can't cycle bulk low brass from Walmart, then fix the root of the problem such as adjusting the size of the gas ports and/or removing friction from the bolt carrier and hammer where they come into contact along with the rails the bolt slides on Edited January 13, 2013 by sapper1371usmc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 If you only fired that many you should be ok. You have to watch for impact to the back of the trunion and cracks in the op rod. There are many threads on this. Do some reading. You should be able to fire high power shells without the low brass reliability kit. Do as Sapper says and adjust the v plug as needed. That's what it is for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Put the factory gas regulator and factory spring back in it and see what happens. Use setting one on the factory unit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Should I put the factory puc back in as well? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bcrider 68 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Yeah. See how she does completely stock. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 14, 2013 Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Should I put the factory puc back in as well? Yes. Sorry, yesterday was crazy for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 Thanks for all the replies/tips. I'll put it back together stock and see what happens. Guess I should have done a little research before throwing parts at it. I'll report back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tundra1 391 Posted January 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2013 So I think I figured out why the Magnums wouldn't cycle. My dumbass was looking at the settings on the v plug wrong. What I thought was setting one was actually the setting below one which has no notch and lets no gas in to cycle the action. I'll get this thing figured out sooner or later... Still going to go back to all stock parts when I shoot next and see what happens. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 Sounds right to me. Be sure and wright down what cycles at which setting. That way you get your base line and can track changes as you swap parts. You will learn a lot this way. Be methodical and change one thing at a time. Take detailed pics of any problems if they arise. It's very difficult to diagnose a gun over the Internet, but clear pictures help a great deal. There are a lot of guys on the forum that are happy to help. You are doing well to listen to the likes of EVLBLKWPNZ. Learn to discern who is an idiot (yours truly) and who has been around and knows their stuff. Please promise not to use anything but factory springs in the gun unless it is dedicated to only bird shot! Sounds like you have a great gun. Let us know how it goes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted January 15, 2013 Report Share Posted January 15, 2013 (edited) Thanks Neph. I don't know it all, by far, but if I know nothing else at all.... I know how to make these guns run. I think it needs to be made fully clear that everything you need to make a Saiga 12 run well is already there. No additional parts necessary. Like a sculptor that chisels away the parts that do not look like a statue, you have to remove the material that does not look like a good running Saiga 12. You could leave me alone in a room with nothing but the necessary basic tools and a Saiga 12, and it will run anything except non lethal and low recoil loads when I am done, factory everything and unmodified factory springs. Keep it simple.... Edited January 15, 2013 by evlblkwpnz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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