cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) I'm a new member and I've been searching about the forum for the last few days trying to figure out the ins and outs of my new .223. Sorry if my questions are too basic. I would like to get the most out of what I have without having to register it in my state. I also want to keep taking it to the range. That means I can't install a pistol grip and do a full conversion. Large capacity Mags are also not in my future. (I just purchased two 7 round mags which are the maximum under the new law.) I would like your advice on what changes you would make living in NY.(moving isn't an option) I would like to improve the trigger but, I'm not sure it's possible without moving the group forward? I can't seem to find anything on that. What would you do? Edited February 4, 2013 by Graptor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
libertarian 108 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Edited February 4, 2013 by libertarian 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I'll take that to mean, you believe there is nothing I can do. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Makc 64 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 As much as many people dislike the law that was just passed in NY, I think it clearly marks the weapon you own is an "assault weapon", so the only suggestion to anyone would be is to obey the law and do everything according to the guidelines and provisions of the new law, while doing their possible best to make the politicians change the law utilizing proper legal channels… Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 The problem is the law is very unclear. A stock Saiga absent any features appears not to fall under the verbiage of the new law but, the FAQs list any AK variant. I would like to make changes to improve my .223 and still keep it just under the line. When the law is made more clear and if a Saiga is considered an AW, I'll register it. It won't make me happy but, then nothing that comes out of Albany does anyways. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Well, as the law reads.... “Any AK‐47 variant designed to fire ammunition in any caliber manufactured by the firms listed below . . . . . . Izhevsk Factory ‐ Russia.” A Saiga is a saiga..... Any configuration or caliber...... It is an assault weapon...... Convert away. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Makc 64 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 If unclear about anything, the safe, although lengthy, suggestion would be to consult your local ATF branch, in writing, providing them with the exact model of your weapon, enquire about their definition of "AK variants", and wait for the answer, in writing, that clearly states what is allowed and what is not allowed. Doing it differently may open a door to a wonderful opportunity to discuss the interpretation of the phrase "Any AK‐47 variant" with a Judge when your court appearance date comes around... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 You could join the growing ranks of NYers refusing to register. someone had to say it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shoes45 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 You could join the growing ranks of NYers refusing to register. someone had to say it. 'bout time someone said it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 If you don't register it, you can't take it to the range or anywhere else to shoot. Having a gun without the ability to enjoy it is kind of sad. An unregistered weapon also gives your Ex-Wife, girlfriend and every other person in your life the ability to ruin you. I'm not going to be counting every person who seen me with a rifle and wondering who I might have pissed off. Big Brother lives in NY and he's watching. I'll unhappily register it if the law makes that clear. In the mean time I'd like to make a few changes that still could keep me under the line. Any ideas for the trigger? Could I replace it with a tapco without moving the group forward? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Makc 64 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Seriously?!? Graptor, your time would be better spent on trying to educate people on how NOT to get in trouble with the new law. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Juggernaut 11,054 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 vote with your feet... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 (edited) Makc, what should I do just give up and keep my Saiga the way it is? It's most likely already a banned gun that needs to be registered in my tyrannical state. I'm a realist, I'm beyond the idea that I can just make any change I want. Why wouldn't I try to figure out how to improve the trigger? The whole idea of a Saiga conversion is a work around the current national law isn't it? Do you believe there is no one in NY who is supposed to make their Saiga better while staying in compliance with local laws? I'm no criminal, no matter how stupid I think the law is but, I do want to think about improving what I have now. If there is any question about a Saiga in my state's law, Ill register it the day I have too. Edited February 4, 2013 by Graptor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Hah. Sell it out of state and build a featureless gun that wasn't named right off. I'll continue to shoot at private ranges. Indeed I'll be making another one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Makc 64 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Graptor, unfortunately there is no one who can legally offer you an advice that you are seeking but the proper authorities in your state. As stated above, the best course of action you may elect to take is to consult with proper state authorities and your local BATF branch in regards to "any and all questions" you may have about the weapon you may have in your possession and its current classification, and follow the letter of the law the way the state authorities further define for you in reply to your inquiry. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Fair enough Makc. Thank you for your advice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Makc, I just got off the phone with the state police hotline. I was told in no uncertain terms that a Saiga is an assult rifle under NY law and I would have to register regardless. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nailbomb 10,221 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 Yeap, I made the same phone call, and got the same answer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
akastormi 617 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 like I posted....... converted or not it's still a assault rifle. convert it. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Makc 64 Posted February 5, 2013 Report Share Posted February 5, 2013 I am glad you received a clear answer to your question from the proper state authorities, although I am sure not the most desirable, but nevertheless a correct one that provided you with a clear definition and classification as well as the steps you need to take to stay compliant with the new law. And I do thank you for posting your findings - people will be able to refer to this thread in the future, as I am sure the same question will be asked again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Makc 64 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 For those who would like to take a deeper look at the FAQ question about the new NY State law - here is the link http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq Quote Link to post Share on other sites
555JM 10 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 Mini-14s are starting to look better and better. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tchick 52 Posted February 17, 2013 Report Share Posted February 17, 2013 How did the Mini 14 stay off the list? It can accept a detachable magazine and some may interpret the top cover piece to be a barrel shroud. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 This law is based on how a weapon looks and the Mini 14 isn't scary enough. I don't even think a Mini 14 is a choice on any of the popular video games. That's really how superficial this law is. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted February 18, 2013 Report Share Posted February 18, 2013 Guess no one saw A TEAM reruns when they wrote the law. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 The ATeam was too violent for these guys. I'm sure they were watching the Love Boat... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shoes45 3 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 This law is based on how a weapon looks and the Mini 14 isn't scary enough. I don't even think a Mini 14 is a choice on any of the popular video games. That's really how superficial this law is. an unconverted Saiga is scary looking? why? because its black? man, my state is getting worse and worse. might as well go ahead and convert mine. been holding off cause of the ban, shit, why bother. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cmallow 3 Posted February 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 This law is based on how a weapon looks and the Mini 14 isn't scary enough. I don't even think a Mini 14 is a choice on any of the popular video games. That's really how superficial this law is. an unconverted Saiga is scary looking? why? because its black? man, my state is getting worse and worse. might as well go ahead and convert mine. been holding off cause of the ban, shit, why bother. You might as well. There is no reason not too at this point. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shoes45 3 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 This law is based on how a weapon looks and the Mini 14 isn't scary enough. I don't even think a Mini 14 is a choice on any of the popular video games. That's really how superficial this law is. an unconverted Saiga is scary looking? why? because its black? man, my state is getting worse and worse. might as well go ahead and convert mine. been holding off cause of the ban, shit, why bother. You might as well. There is no reason not too at this point. yup, and keep it outta sight! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Because a Saiga is an AK and is so powerful that it will basically slaughter your entire family if you so much as drop it on the floor unloaded. How can you even know that it doesn't come out of the box loaded? It's from Russia! They eat dogs there! Siberia! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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