hbar314 0 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 I just received my SGL12-07 and since it is already converted with the pistol grip, I was wondering what parts were US made, if any. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hbar314 0 Posted February 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 Wanted to bump this up for any future searches. The stock SGL12-07 has both a detachable magazine and a pistol grip and is there for not 922r compliant. Nothing on the gun is marked as made in the US so it looks like the gun requires complying with 922r as a first priority. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 19, 2013 Report Share Posted February 19, 2013 (edited) Arsenal/kvar makes their own trigger group, I know they also sell a puck (pictures I have seen shows a slight gold tint to the surface treatment), a US made stock and probably an operating rod They also make a forend, They are a smart company and they sell 8 round mags, you can bet that this gun is 922r compliant. They aren't some clueless local smith bolting on tapco stuff and selling it as a conversion. They are a major importer and builder known for premium factory type versions of com block weapons. They also commission some of the comblock manufacturers to make models specifically for them right in the factory with unusual features. If I were guessing, it probably has KVAR stock and PG, and Arsenal ytrigger group plus a Puck to meet compliance. Edited February 19, 2013 by GunFun 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted February 20, 2013 Report Share Posted February 20, 2013 (edited) I have inquiries into both Kvar and Fime for the same information. I have been unable to identify any US parts (and yes I do have a clue). The buttstock is not the same as a US made Kvar, has no US markings, and has Russian style screws with dual height threads, not the drywall screws that the Kvar comes with. I even pulled the stock to see if there were and marks up in the receiver end, nothing. There are no US markings on the outside of the PG either. The FCG has no markings and a hammer limiter which is even more suspect for US content. The piston appears stock and is definitely not gold. Kvar won't answer the phone. Fime is better about the phone but for some reason will not just tell me or shoot me an email about the content. Edited February 20, 2013 by Ender Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hbar314 0 Posted February 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 Let me know if you find anything out. I spent some time going through the gun and came to the same conclusion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 (edited) Update: Per and email from Fime customer service "There are no US made parts on the SGL12-07 shotgun. All the components are made in Russia by Izhmash." Edited February 21, 2013 by Ender 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hbar314 0 Posted February 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Well that's a bummer. Thanks for the info Ender. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigd1979 23 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 O wow is that mean my slg 12 09 is the same way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) Just heard from Kvar as well- "There is no US parts on the SGL12-07 shotgun." The English is poor but the message simple and to the point. Perhaps they should edit the the misleading language from the description on their site, "Components include 922r compliant parts, mil-spec Buttstock, and trigger group." Or they could just send me a US made fire control group and US made piston and I would be happy to forgive them for their poor choice of wording. Edited February 26, 2013 by Ender Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigd1979 23 Posted February 26, 2013 Report Share Posted February 26, 2013 Hmm well than im assuming the same cause I havent found any us markings on my parts either? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Just heard from Kvar as well- "There is no US parts on the SGL12-07 shotgun." The English is poor but the message simple and to the point. Perhaps they should edit the the misleading language from the description on their site, "Components include 922r compliant parts, mil-spec Buttstock, and trigger group." Or they could just send me a US made fire control group and US made piston and I would be happy to forgive them for their poor choice of wording. Take a couple of screen shots of their website, I'd be changing that if I were them. that sounds like "false or misleading advertising"... I wonder if they just got sloppy and pasted the blurb over from another gun? Parts might not really be worth enough to justify hiring an attorney to look into whether there is a basis for a demand letter, but who knows... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bigd1979 23 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Yea I checked mine also and the hanguard is the only us part so yea the website isnt correct . I am glad this was found out I dont wanna get in trouble I like goin by the book Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Just heard from Kvar as well- "There is no US parts on the SGL12-07 shotgun." The English is poor but the message simple and to the point. Perhaps they should edit the the misleading language from the description on their site, "Components include 922r compliant parts, mil-spec Buttstock, and trigger group." Or they could just send me a US made fire control group and US made piston and I would be happy to forgive them for their poor choice of wording. Take a couple of screen shots of their website, I'd be changing that if I were them. that sounds like "false or misleading advertising"... I wonder if they just got sloppy and pasted the blurb over from another gun? Parts might not really be worth enough to justify hiring an attorney to look into whether there is a basis for a demand letter, but who knows... I had already taken a few shots. I will wait and see if they contact me based upon this thread before I start down that road. If they don't contact me I will likely go there (one of the perks of my job). It was misleading. I based part of my purchasing decision on that statement, now I am out the cost of at least the cost of a FCG. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dougkellermann 8 Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Just heard from Kvar as well- "There is no US parts on the SGL12-07 shotgun." The English is poor but the message simple and to the point. Perhaps they should edit the the misleading language from the description on their site, "Components include 922r compliant parts, mil-spec Buttstock, and trigger group." Or they could just send me a US made fire control group and US made piston and I would be happy to forgive them for their poor choice of wording. Take a couple of screen shots of their website, I'd be changing that if I were them. that sounds like "false or misleading advertising"... I wonder if they just got sloppy and pasted the blurb over from another gun? Parts might not really be worth enough to justify hiring an attorney to look into whether there is a basis for a demand letter, but who knows... I had already taken a few shots. I will wait and see if they contact me based upon this thread before I start down that road. If they don't contact me I will likely go there (one of the perks of my job). It was misleading. I based part of my purchasing decision on that statement, now I am out the cost of at least the cost of a FCG. the same here on the K-VAR site they state the SGL12-09 922r parts which I have highlighted in green.. "SGL12-09 This 12-gauge features a Picatinny Quad Rail System – designed for military and law enforcement -- is also made in the US. It has CNC machine precision technology and is made from aircraft-grade aluminum. The rail system allows for accessory attachment including flashlights, foregrips and sights. Russian 12-gauge shotgun that incorporates a mil-spec original Russian buttstock, the new generation SAW type Russian pistol grip, and all the reliability that you expect from this Saiga shotgun with detachable magazine. Unlike aftermarket conversion shotguns, this factory manufactured unit does not have any unnecessary riveted holes on the sides of the receiver and does not compromise the integrity and value of your shotgun. Like our other SGL12 Shotguns, it has the same fit and finish as our SGL21 and 31 series rifles. Components include 922r compliant parts, mil-spec Buttstock, and trigger group." Edited February 27, 2013 by DVepr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Per the intro to their 922r parts section (below), they obviously know what the term means. The way I read things, if they say their product "includes 922r compliant parts" they mean it includes US made parts. "922r Parts All the high quality US made AK parts for your 922r compliance in one place. We not only give you the parts necessary for you to stay 922r compliant, but also provide you factory authentic, durable, mil-spec products that work and you can be proud of." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dougkellermann 8 Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 I think they made a mistake on the web site. I am wondering if they will contact loyal customers such as myself and make it right. Especially when I paid full price... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 As of this afternoon the listings for the SGL12-07 and SGL12-09 have been removed from the Kvar website. Obviously there was a problem. Now comes the test, how will they handle things from here? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hbar314 0 Posted March 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 They've since taken the SGL12-07 down from the website but the google cache is still alive and well: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:K46-kaaC1aoJ:www.k-var.com/shop/SGL12-07.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us Saying that it has compliant parts (which I wasn't able to find when I posted this thread....didn't dig into cache). Wonder why they would email you back and say there aren't any US parts on the guns. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
filthygovemploye 64 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Update: Per and email from Fime customer service "There are no US made parts on the SGL12-07 shotgun. All the components are made in Russia by Izhmash." thats why i bought the dam thing! i want a russian gun ! add parts, but i asked them how it was legal BEFORE i made the purchase. i was amazed that it was legal to do.... so count your blessings instead of being pist! a tapco group is 30 bucks, big deal! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
filthygovemploye 64 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 (edited) As of this afternoon the listings for the SGL12-07 and SGL12-09 have been removed from the Kvar website. Obviously there was a problem. Now comes the test, how will they handle things from here? as far as it was explained to me, in middle of jauary, they were imported as non-compliant guns. to stick a 6rd mag in ya have to add U.S. FCG .... , mil-spec Buttstock, and trigger group." so that line says to me, trigger group is milspec, not 922r...milspec buttstock, milspec trigger group... this sounds like buyer beware folks, i dont thikn they did anything wrong... Edited March 1, 2013 by filthygovemploye Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ender 12 Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 If there are no US made parts, why list that it "include 922r compliant parts"? Why not say it contains100% Russian content? 922r compliant parts is understood in this community to mean US parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dougkellermann 8 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 So is the only US part the quad rail? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
filthygovemploye 64 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 just buy the $30 tapco fcg... itll be ok. thats really the only 922 ak group available, that i know of... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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