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I heavily posted Magpul's memo on Armslist and encouraged several others to do the same to shut down the $50 per mag bullshit. A few of us are getting together and flagging overpriced mags and we're gonna start on ammo next.

 

I encourage all of you guys and get your buddies as well. Post Magpuls statement, flag pmags over say $25. Flag any .223/5.56 over 50 cents a round. We can make this shit stop and it only continues if people keep paying almost a dollar a round.

 

It doesn't take much to get the ball rolling. I've got a good start here. Pmag gougers are hurting here and it's only been one day.

 

We can do this guys...

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It amazes me how people who "love freedom" are so willing to impose their standards on others. By force if necessary.   "Oooh, I don't like people charging high prices for their own stuff! Let's h

Wow! Yer not a very nice person. While it's true that I breathe out of my mouth, I've found that I breathe out of my nose as well.   So if I don't agree with you and use the overpriced button tha

I didn't used to either. Then last Friday I went to Sportsmans warehouse. The line in the gun section was ridiculous as the truck had just shown up. I later called to see if there was any 223/5.56

My order (still on backorder), was placed December 24th and the deal was 30 round Pmags for $10 a piece but you had to order them in lots of ten. Everyone is price gouging everything from weapons and mags to ammo, whether it is Gunstroker or local Gunshows. I don't know if anything will return the prices to what they were a few months ago as too many people paid way too much for their gear and they won't want to loose money if they resell. It is ridiculous! A coworker of mine bought two Bushmasters for $1500 each. Seriously? They were bare bones Carbines with absolutely nothing on them. People are selling beat up USGI mags for ridiculous prices as well. Internet auctions might be a start but to what point will websites consider that trolling and ban your IP? There is price gouging on this forum. Maybe the mods should relax the rules so we can start here in our own house.

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I fail to see the problem with price gouging. If someone wants to buy at an inflated price, good for them. You won't catch me buying a P-Mag over $20, or .380 or 9mm at over 50 cents a round. But I don't begrudge others the right to.

 

Because it encourages people to buy up everything they can at the lower prices just to resell them for more. A big part of the supply problem are these freelance profiteers.

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I fail to see the problem with price gouging. If someone wants to buy at an inflated price, good for them. You won't catch me buying a P-Mag over $20, or .380 or 9mm at over 50 cents a round. But I don't begrudge others the right to.

I didn't used to either. Then last Friday I went to Sportsmans warehouse. The line in the gun section was ridiculous as the truck had just shown up. I later called to see if there was any 223/5.56 and dude told me it lasted an hour. Also, I see the very large caches of ammo that guys have on Armslist. These are simply guys in the right place at the right time and buying everything up then charging double or triple to guys that didn't happen to be there, or had to work and couldn't be there. Hmmm... I wonder why all the stores put a three box limit on ammo....

 

There is a category in the flag box on armslist called "overpriced" and I intend to use it. You can choose not to. If you don't begrudge the bull shit, then you will never get ammo, guns, or mags at a reasonable price again as these guys are making full time job type money. So far, I've only bought what I need. I sold AR mags at face value. Sold a sought after pistol at normal price. I've picked things up when I was at the right place at the right time and either only again got what I needed or picked some up for friends, made zero money off of it, and left the rest for the next guy who needed it. I guess I'm a dumbass but I plan to be part of the cure and not the problem.

 

Gun shows make me sick now. I'm done with them for a while. I used to enjoy looking for that obscure thing, or getting a better than average deal on ammo. I went to one last weekend and listened to lie after lie by dealers trying to scare people into buying things. Cheapest Pmag I saw was $40 when all the while my local gun shop approx. 4 miles away had them for $20. Whenever I saw someone about to pay that shit, I sent them to my LGS.

 

Again, I didn't used to begrudge. The way I looked at it was if you're stupid enough to pay it then tough shit for you. I feel this situation is different. It's effecting all of us and we are only screwing ourselves. This is NOT just an overpriced ad for a gun or ammo. This is a case where those fucks took it all and now I can't get any unless I pay their extortion fee. I cast a lot of the blame on sheeple, but I'm sure we have all overpaid lately to one degree or another.

 

I deeply enjoy shooting with my family. My sons love going shooting with dad. I used to be able to afford it, but now I'm having a hard time. And for what? I've seen no proposed ban on any kind of ammo, so how did we let this get so out of control? I don't have the answer to that. What I can say is how to fix it. We are not in a panic situation as far as ammo is concerned. Buy only what you can use. Save the rest for the next guy. Refuse to overpay gougers and flag their garbage.

 

This can be fixed but just like dealing with our government, we need to stand up and say we're not taking shit off you ripoff fucks any more.

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I deeply enjoy shooting with my family. My sons love going shooting with dad. I used to be able to afford it, but now I'm having a hard time. And for what?

 

It's a short term situation. Wait it out, and when it subsides, stock up for the long haul (and for the next time this happens). I can only shoot two calibers right now. It's unfortunate, but it's only been going on for two months or so.

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I don't like high prices either, but then again, I have a very nice stock of ammo because I have Always put my extra $$ into bulk ammo. That puts me ahead of the game there, but if someone is willing to pay me a premium price, well then in our Free market economy, based supply and demand, I see no problem with taking his money.

Can't afford to shoot? Well, I can't afford to buy the very land that was $2k an acre 10 years ago.....now it is over 100k an acre, and why???? Because someone paid it, so now it is all "Worth" what the high bidder pays.

I sold my AR due to ammo shortage. I have around 3k rounds of .223 V-Max hunting ammo that I will keep for my .223 bolt action and be set for life with it. I adapted.

It's just how it works. Nobody is going to lower any prices while folks are paying the high prices. Money talks folks. Either wait and Hope, or "Get RICH Bitches!!!"

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I don't like high prices either, but then again, I have a very nice stock of ammo because I have Always put my extra $$ into bulk ammo. That puts me ahead of the game there, but if someone is willing to pay me a premium price, well then in our Free market economy, based supply and demand, I see no problem with taking his money.

Can't afford to shoot? Well, I can't afford to buy the very land that was $2k an acre 10 years ago.....now it is over 100k an acre, and why???? Because someone paid it, so now it is all "Worth" what the high bidder pays.

I sold my AR due to ammo shortage. I have around 3k rounds of .223 V-Max hunting ammo that I will keep for my .223 bolt action and be set for life with it. I adapted.

It's just how it works. Nobody is going to lower any prices while folks are paying the high prices. Money talks folks. Either wait and Hope, or "Get RICH Bitches!!!"

I did something similar

 

Sold both my Tromix S12 and .308

 

Purchased:

SAM7K

Milled Mak 90

12000 rounds 7.62x39

1000 rounds Federal .38 wad cutters

75 round drum

bunch of Bulgarian Steel 40 rounders

bunch of Ruger 10\22 mags (keeping the 25 rounders....selling the 50 rounders)

Mossberg 500 12 gauge

Mossberg 500 .410 guage

and some misc items.......

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I don't like high prices either, but then again, I have a very nice stock of ammo because I have Always put my extra $$ into bulk ammo. That puts me ahead of the game there, but if someone is willing to pay me a premium price, well then in our Free market economy, based supply and demand, I see no problem with taking his money.

Can't afford to shoot? Well, I can't afford to buy the very land that was $2k an acre 10 years ago.....now it is over 100k an acre, and why???? Because someone paid it, so now it is all "Worth" what the high bidder pays.

I sold my AR due to ammo shortage. I have around 3k rounds of .223 V-Max hunting ammo that I will keep for my .223 bolt action and be set for life with it. I adapted.

It's just how it works. Nobody is going to lower any prices while folks are paying the high prices. Money talks folks. Either wait and Hope, or "Get RICH Bitches!!!"

 

 

I don't like high prices either, but then again, I have a very nice stock of ammo because I have Always put my extra $$ into bulk ammo. That puts me ahead of the game there, but if someone is willing to pay me a premium price, well then in our Free market economy, based supply and demand, I see no problem with taking his money.

Can't afford to shoot? Well, I can't afford to buy the very land that was $2k an acre 10 years ago.....now it is over 100k an acre, and why???? Because someone paid it, so now it is all "Worth" what the high bidder pays.

I sold my AR due to ammo shortage. I have around 3k rounds of .223 V-Max hunting ammo that I will keep for my .223 bolt action and be set for life with it. I adapted.

It's just how it works. Nobody is going to lower any prices while folks are paying the high prices. Money talks folks. Either wait and Hope, or "Get RICH Bitches!!!"

I did something similar

 

Sold both my Tromix S12 and .308

 

Purchased:

SAM7K

Milled Mak 90

12000 rounds 7.62x39

1000 rounds Federal .38 wad cutters

75 round drum

bunch of Bulgarian Steel 40 rounders

bunch of Ruger 10\22 mags (keeping the 25 rounders....selling the 50 rounders)

Mossberg 500 12 gauge

Mossberg 500 .410 guage

and some misc items.......

What you guys have done is much different than buying up everything and selling. I think you may be missing the original point of this thread.

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Ammo locally is $15-$20 a box for steel .223.

Tula 9mm is priced at $25 per box and anything brass cases is $30.

This is at our one gun counter that has ammo. It's old stock they've had in the back for years. They are also selling Norinco 7.62x39 in case fresh boxes with the glue dried out and coming apart. Lol!

Thing is, people are buying this stuff like there won't ever be any more made.

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I don't like high prices either, but then again, I have a very nice stock of ammo because I have Always put my extra $$ into bulk ammo. That puts me ahead of the game there, but if someone is willing to pay me a premium price, well then in our Free market economy, based supply and demand, I see no problem with taking his money.

Can't afford to shoot? Well, I can't afford to buy the very land that was $2k an acre 10 years ago.....now it is over 100k an acre, and why???? Because someone paid it, so now it is all "Worth" what the high bidder pays.

I sold my AR due to ammo shortage. I have around 3k rounds of .223 V-Max hunting ammo that I will keep for my .223 bolt action and be set for life with it. I adapted.

It's just how it works. Nobody is going to lower any prices while folks are paying the high prices. Money talks folks. Either wait and Hope, or "Get RICH Bitches!!!"

 

 

I don't like high prices either, but then again, I have a very nice stock of ammo because I have Always put my extra $$ into bulk ammo. That puts me ahead of the game there, but if someone is willing to pay me a premium price, well then in our Free market economy, based supply and demand, I see no problem with taking his money.

Can't afford to shoot? Well, I can't afford to buy the very land that was $2k an acre 10 years ago.....now it is over 100k an acre, and why???? Because someone paid it, so now it is all "Worth" what the high bidder pays.

I sold my AR due to ammo shortage. I have around 3k rounds of .223 V-Max hunting ammo that I will keep for my .223 bolt action and be set for life with it. I adapted.

It's just how it works. Nobody is going to lower any prices while folks are paying the high prices. Money talks folks. Either wait and Hope, or "Get RICH Bitches!!!"

I did something similar

 

Sold both my Tromix S12 and .308

 

Purchased:

SAM7K

Milled Mak 90

12000 rounds 7.62x39

1000 rounds Federal .38 wad cutters

75 round drum

bunch of Bulgarian Steel 40 rounders

bunch of Ruger 10\22 mags (keeping the 25 rounders....selling the 50 rounders)

Mossberg 500 12 gauge

Mossberg 500 .410 guage

and some misc items.......

What you guys have done is much different than buying up everything and selling. I think you may be missing the original point of this thread.

 

Nope. Understand the thread. Just saying I saw this coming just in time. I figured there would be gouging, so I did what needed to be done to stock up ahead of this mess. Just never thought it would involve plinker .22 ammo or I would have done better in that area

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The problem isn't price gouging its people unwilling to look for better deals. I put a bunch of 5 rounders on eBay I bought a few weeks ago not knowing I was going to get a parts kit and need the money I spent for that. I posted with a start of $25 figuring I would get around $50, a buy it now of $85 just in case the madness wasn't over and someone really wanted them that bad. Now they're at $100 and still a day left. I don't expect to make money when I buy something and choose to sell, at the same time I expect someone who's willing to buy to put in an effort to get the best deal they can. If someone chooses to be a sucker and pay out the ass, they're bad, not mine. If the people who are spending the crazy amounts of money informed themselves then we likely wouldn't have the problem. In the same way though, the people who are willing to buy things at exorbitant prices are likely the same people that voted in the assholes creating the panic. Eye for an eye in the end is how I look at it

 

Also note, I can't buy ammo online or send any in the mail thanks to my states AG. I did however, stock up fully during the first years of Obama in anticipation of gouged ammo. I have yet to let go of any ammo that I wasn't shooting at a range. When I do find ammo it usually is in the 3 box limit rule stores. I can see getting pissed over the ammo, because I myself had run into that back in 08 before the limits were put in place. However, the people buying it weren't selling it, most just hoarding. So I found a nice middle ground where I'd buy 4 boxes every time I went in, now I got 2 ammo cans of x39, a large can of 308/5.56 and x54R and a large can of pistol caliber 9mm/.40/.22lr. Being prepared at the start of the game, is always better than having to catch up from behind

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It amazes me how people who "love freedom" are so willing to impose their standards on others. By force if necessary.

 

"Oooh, I don't like people charging high prices for their own stuff! Let's harass them and make them stop! That way I can buy their stuff for the price I want."

 

You sure don't like the libs telling you what kind of guns you can own.

 

Those that like other people to stay out of their business should learn to mind their own business.

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How many folks failed economics? This is purely economics and what America is, it is about supply and demand(though you may not realize that if you failed economics)! How many stopped buying gasoline due to the price?63

 

Telling a person what they can or cannot sell a product for is pure socialism! Not saying that is what the OP is insisting on! But so many on the internet forums are!

 

I say vote with your wallet and ignore the rest! Folks that post simply to bitch will not go very far....as they are not the target buyer(no pun intended)!

 

While I sell nothing firearm related(or otherwise at this point), if another wishes to make a profit....they can in this country!

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I see no problem checking the box as overpriced. If you see it so, you should do so.

 

I also believe it will not change the buying. We are all paranoid. Life is short, and we want to shoot, but we don't want to go broke. Eventually things will settle, and that said, I will follow Big John's example, too expensive is just that. I thought I was good to go for 6 months, but seeing this continuing I am tightening up again.

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I think it's stupid also, but the only real issue is people without FFL's buying up guns for the sole purpose of throwing them on Gunbroker. It's 100% illegal and there are probably quite a few doing it. BATF will most likely never catch them though.

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It amazes me how people who "love freedom" are so willing to impose their standards on others. By force if necessary.

 

"Oooh, I don't like people charging high prices for their own stuff! Let's harass them and make them stop! That way I can buy their stuff for the price I want."

 

You sure don't like the libs telling you what kind of guns you can own.

 

Those that like other people to stay out of their business should learn to mind their own business.

 

Agreed... I paid like a chump for my S12 because the gun was more important than money to me. I still don't feel bad about it. $200 less would have been a smoking hot deal. I'm not going to cry a river over it.

 

I paid what the market demanded, and if I would have wanted to, I could have easily doubled my money a couple of months back to other people who cares more about the gun than the money.

 

It would be nice if .22 plinking ammo would come back out of the stratosphere though. I really don't understand that. The entire reason to own a .22 is because its cheap to run. When its not cheap to run anymore, why even own the gun?

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I'm trying to get supplies up to about 1000 rnds and 10 mags per weapon. Anything over that is shootin ammo!

 

Great minds think alike... That is my exact plan, except I want to be able to load up at least 100 rounds (could be 10 mags, could be 1) per firearm, 1000 rounds/caliber in reserve, and 1000/caliber to go play with. Getting started on my hoard has been costly, but we're making great progress! I think .22LR is my most limited round right now, which defies all logic.

 

I haven't seen .22lr around here for a while. Is it really going that high?

 

YES!!! I looked on ammoseek last night and what they had was $.30 a round!!! WTF!!!

 

I'll fire my x39 and save money... Ever better would be a VEPR x54... Even in today's market its less than $18/rd.

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Gotcha there! My thought on mags is 7 active (1 in gun + 6 in pouch) like we used to carry in the military. The other 3 are spares. If SHTF and you make it through 1000 rnds in combat in semi-auto, you're an insanely good soldier or lucky! If not, all that extra ammo and gear is just a waste!



Hit FF monday and they had CCI mini-mag HP at $6.49 a box. Limit 1.

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Beer has inhibited my ability to articulate at this moment in time, but...... Who is to say that prices will Not come down to a reasonable level, and folks buying at these prices are not the ones, 5 years from now, saying " I got my 10,000 rounds of ammo back when it was ONLY $400 for 1000 rounds of 7.62x39"

Glad I stockpiled @ under $200 per 1000!!!

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Who is to say that prices will Not come down to a reasonable level...

 

Didn't you hear, the Federal Government is shutting down. All department orders for 5.56, 9mm, and 22lr will be canceled and should be showing up on local shelves in the next few weeks.

 

Ok, this statement isn't true. My point is do you really believe prices will remain at today's level? It took 2 years for prices to come down and stabilize from the last panic. Are we wrong in thinking this won't occur again?

 

And Kudos to Big John! If he wants to attempt a mutiny on Armlist I say, "Go for it!" I am tired of shit being bought in mass from people who's only intention is to make a buck in resale. Sure we live in a Capitalist society. That doesn't make it right to f*ck over your neighbor and steal his pension in the process. If this keeps up those prices on gunbroker and armslist will turn into what you find at Walmart and Sportsmans Warehouse. It may be Capitalism but it sure in hell ain't American.

 

Right now 9mm is going for $40 a box in Anchorage. If it stays at this level I will need to find a different hobby.

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Not only is .22LR high priced, it is scarce. I have a plinker stuck in limbo because I returned it for manufacturer warranty work and they are waiting on ammo so they can test fire it to verify all is good before returning it to me. Even they are not getting supplies in bulk or a timely manner. Who woulda thunk that this ammo would ever be scarce. Manufacturers are not very forthcoming with their production plans either. Are they producing full tilt or depleting inventory so as not to have stock if a ban/limitation passes?

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