Scorpion0631 9 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Will these magazines fit into a Saiga 223 without a bulletguide? http://www.mm-militaria.de/ak74-magazin-durchsichtig-kaliber-nato-p-916.html http://www.mm-militaria.de/ak74-magazin-schwarz-kaliber-nato-p-599.html I live in Germany and its near impossible to get a bulletguide here due to none of the shops like Kvar or Dinzag shipping outside of the USA. With some luck I was able to buy a Bakelite mag that was converted for the Saiga 223 but havent seen anything since and I dont really feel like buying the Izhmash mags for 70€ each. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 They should work, but you may have to mod them to get them to clear the trunnion. No biggie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superbee 15 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 They should work, but you may have to mod them to get them to clear the trunnion. No biggie. Going to work without a BG? Make a BG yourself....google what material you need....it's pretty easy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 He asked if it will fit. They will fit. They just may or may not feed reliably. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 3, 2013 Report Share Posted March 3, 2013 Capt. is right. They will fit. Add a feed lip to the front of the mag and the bullet guide is not needed. Many people that do not want to add a bullet guide just add feed lips to the magazine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
superbee 15 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Well clearly they will fit, but what good is a mag if it fits but wont feed reliably? Maybe some info on how to add a feed lip to a mag for our friend in Germany...?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) the magazines you are looking at are Polish Beryl magazines similar to using AK-74 mags in a Saiga 5.45, they will generally feed OK without a bullet guide, but it's recommended to install one for 100% reliability. they need to have the front feed lip modified to match the profile of an AK-47/AKM mag. alternatively you can modify the trunnion of the Saiga .223 so that the mags don't need to be modified. This involves removing about 2-3mm off the bottom of the trunnion locking lugs in the rifle, which would require at the very least a drill press with end mill bit to do cleanly. this effectively changes the Saiga .223 trunnion from AKM spec to AK-74 spec, at which point the rifle will accept Polish or Bulgarian 5.56 magazines unmodified. note that the clear mags are not recommended. the polymer used in these mags is somewhat weak and tends to split at the steel reinforcement rib. the black mags use a sort of fiberglass resin that does not have this problem. Unmodified Beryl mag left, modified (Saiga) Beryl mag right: Edited March 4, 2013 by mancat 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpion0631 9 Posted March 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) Thank you guys for the tips, I will report as soon as i get myself one of the mags. Another quick question, will these mags fit and feed buy adding a feedlip or is there more to them? http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/120005 http://www.zib-militaria.de/epages/61431412.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61431412/Products/120052[2] Could one say that generally all AK-74 Mags will fit the Saiga? Edited March 4, 2013 by Scorpion0631 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 Make sure you use 5.56 mags. Not AK74 5.45 mags. The curve is different in the magazine body, and will cause feed issues. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mancat 2,368 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 as liberty-r-death said, those above are 5.45 mags. they would require the same modifications to fit into the gun as the Polish mags, and they will likely not feed correctly/reliably. you can sometimes use 5.45 AK-74 mags to partial capacity, but no guarantees that they will work. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebuns1 4,323 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 For the best reliability possible, stick with 5.56 mags. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thebobrusso 27 Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 i think dinzag will ship outside of us Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted March 5, 2013 Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I do not think he can .it is a part for a weapon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpion0631 9 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 I will email dinzag if it is possible to ship a bulletguide, wish me luck. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpion0631 9 Posted March 5, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2013 Just got an Email from Dinzag telling me they are not able to export any parts except tools Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paulry 50 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 I have both and can tell you, with out modifications 5.45x39 will NOT work in .223 Saiga. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scorpion0631 9 Posted March 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2013 Does anybody know a shop in the UK that sells bulletguides for the saiga? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
liberty -r- death 1,445 Posted March 8, 2013 Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 If you have a round bullet guide you can make one out of steel pipe. Others have done this and it works fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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