XD45 7,124 Posted March 23, 2013 Report Share Posted March 23, 2013 2 VWs looks don't win races or make a revolver handle / shoot better And yet it will be his money buying the revolver, so he gets to decide if looks are important. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
going12220 125 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 maybe like wear a tuxedo and shoot a Hi-Point? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigtwin 219 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 I do love my Taurus 66ss 6in revolver. The gun has served me well in the five years I have owned it, no issues whatsoever! I know that many folks have recommended S&W and Ruger and such(they are very fine firearms, I have owned a few of them as well), for the value I have had no issues with Taurus revolvers, and comfortably recommend them for those that like to shoot rather than collect! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Voltia 375 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 The Ruger Security 6 is a great pistol. Many a dillo has faced sudden, explosive death from mine. My old man's Colt Python has a damn good trigger. He got his used, as part of an estate he bought, so it's actually nice to have a good condition used one to go shoot, instead of enshrine, though I'd like a NIB one, but will never fire it. In terms of pistol triggers, it's been said that the Colt single action trigger is king, and the S&W double action trigger is the best. It's also been said the 1911 model pistol has the best single action autoloader trigger, and, for a double action autoloader, I personally prefer the HK match trigger, as it is ALMOST as good as a 1911. Your mileage may vary, I personally think my dad's Python trigger in single action is better, by a bit, than my S&W 29-2, but that 29 has had a lot less rounds through it. I found this discussion, maybe people would like to read it. Colt uses a system in which the cylinder is forced tightly into alignment with the barrel at the instant of firing. This system depends on the action being in perfect adjustment, and also accounts for the Colt's reputation for being a more accurate revolver.Since the chamber is perfectly aligned with the barrel, the bullet enters the forcing cone without any distortion. The less distortion of the bullet, the more accuracy is possible.The S&W, Ruger, Colt King Cobra, and all modern revolvers use an action that allows the cylinder to be slightly loose at the moment of firing. This allows the chamber to align itself with the bore.The "problem" with this is, the aligning force is the bullet itself, so there is a slight amount of distortion to the bullet, and this degrades accuracy to some extent.Because of the action design, the Colt action tends to "stack" or get progressively stiffer as the trigger is pulled. Colt shooters often use this to help "stage" the trigger by giving it a slight "jerk". This causes the cylinder to unlock and quickly rotate to lock. This leaves the trigger with a smooth, easy pull until ignition.Many PPC shooters add rubber trigger stops to their S&W triggers so they can stage the trigger much like a Colt.The Colt action is a more complicated action, with a non-obvious method of operation. It uses very small operating surfaces, and these must be in proper adjustment simply to allow the gun to work properly.The Colt uses a single double legged spring to power the entire action. S&W and all other modern revolvers use separate springs to power the hammer and trigger assemblies. Neither is particularly superior to the other, just different methods of accomplishing the same functions.Where the S&W is somewhat "better" is when the action is being "tuned" for match use. The separate springs allow the hammer and trigger tension to be adjusted individually, and this is easier for the pistolsmith.Because the Colt parts that rotate and lock the cylinder are smaller than other more modern guns, the Colt's have somewhat of a reputation of getting "out of time".In the classic Colt out of time condition, it's possible to slowly cock the action to full cock, WITHOUT the cylinder going into it's proper locked condition.In truth, unless the action is badly abused or altered, the gun will fully lock up when the trigger is pulled, so this isn't as serious as might be thought.Later Colt and most more modern revolvers have larger, stronger action parts. What this really means is that they will take more abuse, longer, than the older Colt action will.Abuse of a revolver is "Bogarting" the gun by flipping the cylinder open and closed with a flick of the wrist, force cocking the hammer, or forcefully yanking the trigger in double action.All this will batter any revolver to eventual out of time problems, it's just that the Colt doesn't stand the abuse as well.A big advantage of the Colt action, is the fact that the cylinder notches are placed between the chambers where the metal is thickest, instead of directly over the chambers like on the S&W.So, IN GENERAL, the Colt has better potential accuracy, the others have actions that will take abusive treatment better, with non-stacking triggers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red308 54 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 you should get one of each.I will shoot any factory load out of my ruger or my smith its just the little j frame isn't that fun to shoot hot loads. there's nothing anywhere saying you should stay away from hot loads in a smith unless someone can provide a factory link not a I know a friend story and even then I wont stop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JonnyDingDongs 158 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 GP and don't look back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 well you should never shoot a "hot" over pressure load in any firearm, but there is load data thats marked for ruger guns only that would lead me to believe that they are stronger of a load data publisher wouldnt do that. and Dissident id venture to say a lot of people would say that their REM700 looks ten times better than any AK and that im also sure that you care what you guns look like. Yes i care more about the way my guns shoot but why would i look at the half lug when i think its looks like a monkeys ass when i can have a full lug and the extra weight for a 6" barrel with full lug will make the nose stay down a little better, so in fact you are wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 and ill not buy a Taurus cause the problems ive had personally and not just with one Taurus but two, i bought one model 85 ultralite 38 and one chamber was so far off spec that that same chamber would shave bullets so much so that it would jam copper between the cylinder and barrel and id have to knock the cylinder open with the rubber mallet then the last time before i traded it for an Eotech it had maybe 20 grains or more hunk of jacket. the other Taurus that sucked was their little .380 that if you would not let the trigger fully reset it would drop the hammer without pulling it back. the thing is designed as a half cocked, pre cocked double action whatever it would be called where upon each shot the hammer is pre staged half way back then as you pull the trigger it would pull the hammer the remaing way back and then break and fire, well if you dont let the trigger fully reset and pull it instead of nothing happening the the hammer would just fall from the half cock position and lightly strike the primer and not fire then you have a dead gun that would need the slide cycled again. and it wasnt just my .380 ive tried more than 4 NIB and they all work that way if you ask me Taurus could be sued if this gun is designed this was and they sold it as a defense gun and its got a flaw this bad. for this alone i wouldnt buy one but that and they fucked the revolver. but i also know Taurus owns Rossi but the one Rossi ive owned worked great and ive read many many good things about rossi and not about any of the kind of things ive read about taurus. you should get one of each.I will shoot any factory load out of my ruger or my smith its just the little j frame isn't that fun to shoot hot loads. there's nothing anywhere saying you should stay away from hot loads in a smith unless someone can provide a factory link not a I know a friend story and even then I wont stop. i really like this Amith and Wesson what model is that and is it a current model? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SHOTGUN MESIAH 855 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 (edited) if we are talkin 357 and stainless then it's the colt python, although I prefer the nickel finish myself. (see picture) This is the 357 that set the standards by which all are judged. Colt needs to make a reissue of this legendary bad boy. and if anyone has a new 6" python nickel finish for sale, please let me know ( I stress the word NEW) Edited March 27, 2013 by SHOTGUN MESIAH 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
red308 54 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 and ill not buy a Taurus cause the problems ive had personally and not just with one Taurus but two, i bought one model 85 ultralite 38 and one chamber was so far off spec that that same chamber would shave bullets so much so that it would jam copper between the cylinder and barrel and id have to knock the cylinder open with the rubber mallet then the last time before i traded it for an Eotech it had maybe 20 grains or more hunk of jacket. the other Taurus that sucked was their little .380 that if you would not let the trigger fully reset it would drop the hammer without pulling it back. the thing is designed as a half cocked, pre cocked double action whatever it would be called where upon each shot the hammer is pre staged half way back then as you pull the trigger it would pull the hammer the remaing way back and then break and fire, well if you dont let the trigger fully reset and pull it instead of nothing happening the the hammer would just fall from the half cock position and lightly strike the primer and not fire then you have a dead gun that would need the slide cycled again. and it wasnt just my .380 ive tried more than 4 NIB and they all work that way if you ask me Taurus could be sued if this gun is designed this was and they sold it as a defense gun and its got a flaw this bad. for this alone i wouldnt buy one but that and they fucked the revolver. but i also know Taurus owns Rossi but the one Rossi ive owned worked great and ive read many many good things about rossi and not about any of the kind of things ive read about taurus. you should get one of each.I will shoot any factory load out of my ruger or my smith its just the little j frame isn't that fun to shoot hot loads. there's nothing anywhere saying you should stay away from hot loads in a smith unless someone can provide a factory link not a I know a friend story and even then I wont stop. i really like this Amith and Wesson what model is that and is it a current model? The s&w is a current model 60 3" barrel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jwulf 179 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="SHOTGUN MESIAH" data-cid="881458" data-time="1364364659"><p> if we are talkin 357 and stainless then it's the colt python, although I prefer the nickel finish myself. (see picture)<br /> This is the 357 that set the standards by which all are judged.<br /> Colt needs to make a reissue of this legendary bad boy.<br /> and if anyone has a new 6" python nickel finish for sale, please let me know ( I stress the word NEW)<br /> <br /> <span rel='lightbox'><img src='http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii247/chevykevyss/colt-python-357_zps5498c973.jpeg' alt='Posted Image' class='bbc_img' /></span></p></blockquote> Scheels in Sioux Falls,SD bought a bad ass collection a few weeks ago the had a couple of NIB Pythons. Can't remember if they were blued or not though... they might still have one or two left. Might be worth a call. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jerry52 893 Posted March 27, 2013 Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 if we are talkin 357 and stainless then it's the colt python, although I prefer the nickel finish myself. (see picture)This is the 357 that set the standards by which all are judged. Colt needs to make a reissue of this legendary bad boy. and if anyone has a new 6" python nickel finish for sale, please let me know ( I stress the word NEW) My brother had one of these never fired out of the box . Took a year to get it back and for him no more colts. It's not the gun its the people Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I can't spend 1000+ I saw a king cobra for like 800 but even that is too much for me. I could get a smith pro shop gun for that. And I don't really like the look of the vent rib. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
storm6490 2,768 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Yep, the python is the king... You really don't want to wear that one in the creek fishing or prospecting. Some may, but they have more money than brains! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
XD45 7,124 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I can't spend 1000+ I saw a king cobra for like 800 but even that is too much for me. I could get a smith pro shop gun for that. And I don't really like the look of the vent rib. Hey that vent rib is there to keep the barrel from drooping when shooting in full auto. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sdustin 578 Posted March 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 Call me crazy but for looks I like the Rossi over the colt. I know the snake gun is in a whole other universe in terms of quality but looks alone the Rossi is simple no vent rib it's got a searated top "rib" but it looks better in my option. Like I said I know that's crazy and I know the colt ten times better but in looks alone I really like the simple looks of the Rossi and I also like the black plastic grips with finger grooves. <blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Stryker0946" data-cid="881971" data-time="1364482071"><p> Yep, the python is the king... You really don't want to wear that one in the creek fishing or prospecting. Some may, but they have more money than brains! </p></blockquote> Oh I don't baby any of my guns. If I can't drop a weapon on the ground and not worry I don't own it. Even if I owned a python Id treat it like any other gun and I don't thunk that's stupid and don't have a ton of money but I shoot all my guns I use all my guns and don't worry about them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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