bitters 6 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Hey guys how's it going? So, I finally ordered all my parts from CSS and drilled out the rivets,installed the new trigger group, installed the pistol grip, ETC. Everything went pretty damn good except for the obvious problem... I just had no luck with the BHO. I ordered the "modified BHO" which was apparently easier to install. I managed to get it set up ONE time, but while I was putting the safety in, the spring came loose and I had enough of that. I think I need a smaller pair of needle nose pliers. My question is this: I decided to save the modified BHO for another day. Forget it, I honestly don't need it. I just wanted it for inexperienced users. (I would usually load the mag for them and lock the bolt back before they tried it). Anyways... The safety level works fine, but when I put it on SAFE there is nothing to stop it, so if I pull it up too high it rides up on the dust cover and kinda gets stuck. It just doesn't feel right. I assume the BHO stops the safety from riding so far up? Is there any other option? Or is this just normal? I hear plenty of people leave the BHO out of their Saiga 12. Is this just normal or did I install it wrong? It doesn't really feel right. Not looking forward to opening up and un-obstructing the gas ports, lol. Thanks for any input. This site and Youtube have been a huge help. I had never used a drill before today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Well, you are hardly the first to run into this situation and ask the same questions. Put your bho back in, but don't bother about keeping the spring on the BHO while installing it. You can reach down with a dental pick or stiff piece of bent wire and pull it up after. Way easier. As for the safety, you could have added a notch before you fit it (if it required fitting). However, now that just is how it is unless you do some welding to make a stop. Most people just let the dust cover stop it. It can't go far enough to compromise safety. If needed, tweak the corner of the dust cover to bump it earlier. Hope that helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitters 6 Posted March 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 Ha. I think I'll just forget the BHO for now. I spent 30 minutes messing with the safety and realized I just needed to put a little more thumb into it and the safety didn't feel that unnatural. My general laziness is convincing me that the BHO is not worth the trouble. Maybe in a week or two I'll get the balls to mess with the BHO again. I will definitely try your method when I give it another shot. I just don't know what went wrong while I was installing the safety. It was very stiff and I couldn't get the safety to install and lock in. While I was messing with it to seat properly the spring came loose. Oh well, another day another trial. As usual thank you Gunfun. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gunfun 3,931 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 1.Lift the safety past the stop. 2. Rotate down as far as it will go. 3. Set the gun on your couch and sit on it. 4. Lift up on the safety while pushing with the other hand on the pivot of the safety. Put your back in to it. It is tougher than it seems. 5. Repeat or reverse as necessary. Desired tension should allow the safety to move with light finger pressure, but not move accidentally. Oh, and you can get that spring up on after the safety is installed, by reaching past the BHO with a dental pick and pulling the spring leg over the part of the bHO it is supposed to push against. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dubya 198 Posted March 24, 2013 Report Share Posted March 24, 2013 The BHO is nice on the S12, I take it off all my rifles though. Gunfun probably has some slick tricks but when I do BHO I have a very long and skinny needle nose I use and its pretty easy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
im_n2_vws 28 Posted March 25, 2013 Report Share Posted March 25, 2013 I used the dental floss method. You can find it on Youtube. You use dental floss to pull it down into place while you slide the pin in. As stated above, I like having the BHO on my S12. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitters 6 Posted March 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 I'll definitely look up the dental floss method. The biggest problem was that my needle nosed pliers were way too fat. I Used a bunch of my dads old tools and there was a pretty poor selection. I had to de-rust the smallest of the pliers, but it was still too fat to fit in there properly. I did the epitome of "kitchen gunsmithing", Some of the drilling and all the assembly was done on the kitchen table. My drill tool had it's wire duct tape to cover up frays. Besides a drill, the only thing needed for this conversion was a vice like grip. I used this old school decaying wooden vice/saw table. I had the absolute minimum. I really didn't understand how easy this conversion would be. I mean, everyone on here said it was this easy... but it was really easy... I'll borrow a correct pair of pliers from my friend at some point. Tommorow I am testing this thing out at the range. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted March 26, 2013 Report Share Posted March 26, 2013 Besides a drill, the only thing needed for this conversion was a vice like grip. I used this old school decaying wooden vice/saw table. I had the absolute minimum. No vise required. I sat on a bath towel in the floor and used my feet as a vise. I think I beat you on absolute minimum... LOL. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bitters 6 Posted March 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2013 Besides a drill, the only thing needed for this conversion was a vice like grip. I used this old school decaying wooden vice/saw table. I had the absolute minimum. No vise required. I sat on a bath towel in the floor and used my feet as a vise. I think I beat you on absolute minimum... LOL. To drill out the rivets? Damn, lol. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
evlblkwpnz 3,418 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I'll definitely look up the dental floss method. The biggest problem was that my needle nosed pliers were way too fat. I Used a bunch of my dads old tools and there was a pretty poor selection. I had to de-rust the smallest of the pliers, but it was still too fat to fit in there properly. I did the epitome of "kitchen gunsmithing", Some of the drilling and all the assembly was done on the kitchen table. My drill tool had it's wire duct tape to cover up frays. Besides a drill, the only thing needed for this conversion was a vice like grip. I used this old school decaying wooden vice/saw table. I had the absolute minimum. I really didn't understand how easy this conversion would be. I mean, everyone on here said it was this easy... but it was really easy... I'll borrow a correct pair of pliers from my friend at some point. Tommorow I am testing this thing out at the range. I chopped and crowned a barrel last week on a coffee table. Whatever it takes.... Besides a drill, the only thing needed for this conversion was a vice like grip. I used this old school decaying wooden vice/saw table. I had the absolute minimum. No vise required. I sat on a bath towel in the floor and used my feet as a vise. I think I beat you on absolute minimum... LOL. You took me back with this one. It has been a good long while, but I've been there. Thankfully, I'm well set up now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cobra 76 two 2,677 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 LOL I did my first three on my pool table... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dubya 198 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 I did 5 sitting on my concrete basement floor until I got smart, built a nice bench in my garage and mounted a vise and bench grinder. Much better! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nephilim7 107 Posted March 28, 2013 Report Share Posted March 28, 2013 ... I got smart, built a nice bench in my garage and mounted a vise and bench grinder. Much better! Working on that one! Honey-do list keeps growing... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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