Road Rager Gets Ass Kicked, Then Pulls Gun...

[ChileRelleno 7,074]

Kid sure had balls and a steady hand after that!

Bet is he didn't even realize what had happened at the time... The first attempt to shoot at the scene of the video was apparently a misfire.

Then after the video stops, more shots fired hitting the truck, house and yard.

Edited March 27, 2013 by ChileRelleno

[yakdung 2,926]

I have been on a number of jury's over the years, and I'm a firm believer of waiting till all of the facts are known before passing judgement. There is an old game that whoever calls 911 first and screams and yells first, the authorities give chase to that party. Video is a funny thing, it never tells the whole story.

Edited March 27, 2013 by yakdung

[devildogdakota 804]

Oops!

 

Edited March 27, 2013 by fffpatriot

[Sim_Player 1,939]

IMHO, he lost his right to "self-defense" when he aggressively pursued their vehicle and then stopped, possibly blocking them in, got out, and then punched the driver in the face.

 

The occupants of the other vehicle had plenty of time to plan (they should have called 911 and brought the guy to the nearest police station).

 

Looks like he needed his ass kicked.

 

He could have walked up to a driver holding a .45 leveled at his chest.

 

I hope both parties see this as a "learning moment".

Edited March 27, 2013 by Sim_Player

[termite 463]

I believe that if that had happened here in Alabama, with us having the castle doctrine, which also extends to your vehicle, when he entered the kids vehicle to grab him, that was grounds for the punk to blow him away. That's why my pistol is always at my side. Years back, I had a girl make a left hand turn, from the right hand lane in front of me, I t-boned her, then some big ass black guy comes to my window and tells me he's gonna whoop my ass, needless to say, when I raised the .45 and told him that if he even breathed hard on my truck, I'd blow his his shit away. When the cops arrived, they started making a big deal of that, the cops asked me what happened, I explained what happened, what this guy said and that I NEVER got out of my truck during this. Cop told the dude he was lucky as hell that he controlled his breathing, because I was in the right, and this was a black cop.

But this guy in the video, needed a better ass whooping than he got. Someone needs to teach the kids to not stop until the threat is neutralized, or this is what could/would happen, dick head pops up and sends one your way. Anger management won't help this prick, he'll do it again some other time, and it may turn out worse. He should have took his ass whooping, went on his way.

[magsite20 1,664]

First off I couldn’t afford the gas or the ammo to track down every moron I see on the road around here.

Second I rarely get out of my mind pissed off mad and feel the urge to bitch slap some stranger, but if I do and get my ass kicked kind of comes under the heading of I had that one coming.

Finally if I pull a gun on people I’m going to shoot them not just shoot in general. It would have to be a case of they started it, they’re not going to stop, and there is a real danger to life and limb. I live out in the sticks and if someone came up and stole my car I wouldn’t shoot them over property, if they come in my house that changes things. Shooting people shouldn’t be taken too lightly, property can be replaced, a human life can’t.

 

In today’s gun climate the court is going to bitch slap this couple down hard and they have it coming.

[redrocker35 9]

Damndest thing though, as anyone here that carries legally, knows, you're always aware that you have it in the vehicle. He and/or his wife must of thought about it being there sometime during this 30 mile rage fueled pursuit allowing time for premeditation of use at some level. Even if it was only fantasy at the original thought, that's where common sense (the kind that allows the right to own firearms in the first place) should of kicked in. Although holes like this add fire to the gun grabber debate, maybe it will serve as a stark reminder to individuals such as that above, of how disastrous it is (not only themselves, but to the rights of all) to banish a weapon when they get their panties in a bunch.

[LuPiN8oR 333]

Those are my old stomping grounds lol! Trust me, alot of people with bad tempers down east. Every time i visit my parents im amazed and appalled by local news.

[jerry52 893]

To much coffee!

 

[David Mark 2,452]

My favorite daydream involves cutting off middle fingers with garden shears and sticking'em up their ass.

That made me laugh out loud Chile. What's a man if he can't dream!

[csspecs 1,987]

I had someone follow me yelling that I cut them off (I really don't think I did) after the second light of them still following and yelling I figured I'd have to deal with it.. So I just pulled in at the police station, seeing cop cars and officers likely snapped him out of whatever anger he had.

 

I would NEVER knowingly let someone follow me home. Police station is the best place to go, because ANY traffic ticket is cheaper then a hospital visit.

[redrocker35 9]

People cut me off all of the time. It doesn't bother me a bit. Most of the time they look kind of puzzled. I'm not in a hurry and I have nothing to prove to the average idiot. I choose to focus on winning and proving things in more significant activities than commuting

As many here know, I'm a professional steering wheel holder, aka trucker.

I see all sorts of bullshit situations while doing my job, people seemingly try to kill me and others on the road almost daily, definitely weekly.

I've learned to just let it go.

It just isn't worth it, too much at stake, you just never know what people are going to do... Case in point ^^^

And since I'm always carrying, i'm always on my best behavior.

 

Oh sure I day dream all sorts of devious torture upon them, but would never actually act upon such and escalate a situation.

My favorite day dream involves cutting off middle fingers with garden shears and sticking'emup their ass.

Exactly my point, most of us have thought devious thoughts about someone that has accidently (even neglectively) caused us to clench the seat with our ass,

(the finger thing w/o the shears is a common thread lol) but driving by back and forth shooting up the neighborhood is acting out like a emotional 5 yo... with a gun. He will get the time out he deserves, watch and see...I've had my ass handed to me before, I wasn't happy about, but I certainly wasn't homicidal either.

Edited March 27, 2013 by redrocker35

[aka_mythos 35]

Road rage... this reminds me of one of the incidences that first prompted me to get my CCL.

A number of years ago on my way home from work one day, I'm coming on from an entrance ramp... its a long merge and there is a gap in traffic allowing me effortlessly merge a little early. Even though there was nowhere for the guy to go he speeds up and tries to zip up the remainder of the merge and get in front. Coming from behind me he only ends up side by side with me by the time the merge ends and he's driving on the shoulder. He starts swinging over into my lane. I hit my horn he continues so I simply put on my blinker and move into the left lane. Then he does this again but I have nowhere to go except forward, so I speed up a bit just until I could get back into the right hand lane. He's slamming on his horn and is visibly pissed off. I move over into the right lane and continue driving. Over another 5 minutes he swerves through traffic to get right behind me where he proceeds to slam on his horn. We're at the exit for my home and he's still following me, though with less honking. Not wanting to take him to where I live I take a very circuitous route through the neighborhood to make sure it isn't just coincidence that he's following me. I lead him to a spot where I know where the police like to sit to monitor traffic at a "T" intersection. I park. He drives up in front of me and parks and gets out moving towards my vehicle cursing up a storm and yelling at me to "get out." He doesn't notice the police officer getting out his squad car and getting the attention of traffic to cross the street... I lower my window a bit and said "Before we do this here you might want to look behind you"... He proceeded to have an "oh-shit" moment and runs back to his SUV and drives off. I recognized the officer and we chatted and laughed.

There were somethings that happened to my wife... but needless to say I got a licence, I bought a gun. The end.

Edited March 27, 2013 by Mythos

[magsite20 1,664]

from the reading of justin bieber's driving he's the one I'd like to see this couple of morons meet.

[Maxwelhse 1,285]

Road rage... this reminds me of one of the incidences that first prompted me to get my CCL.

 

A number of years ago on my way home from work one day, I'm coming on from an entrance ramp... its a long merge and there is a gap in traffic allowing me effortlessly merge a little early. Even though there was nowhere for the guy to go he speeds up and tries to zip up the remainder of the merge and get in front. Coming from behind me he only ends up side by side with me by the time the merge ends and he's driving on the shoulder. He starts swinging over into my lane. I hit my horn he continues so I simply put on my blinker and move into the left lane. Then he does this again but I have nowhere to go except forward, so I speed up a bit just until I could get back into the right hand lane. He's slamming on his horn and is visibly pissed off. I move over into the right lane and continue driving. Over another 5 minutes he swerves through traffic to get right behind me where he proceeds to slam on his horn. We're at the exit for my home and he's still following me, though with less honking. Not wanting to take him to where I live I take a very circuitous route through the neighborhood to make sure it isn't just coincidence that he's following me. I lead him to a spot where I know where the police like to sit to monitor traffic at a "T" intersection. I park. He drives up in front of me and parks and gets out moving towards my vehicle cursing up a storm and yelling at me to "get out." He doesn't notice the police officer getting out his squad car and getting the attention of traffic to cross the street... I lower my window a bit and said "Before we do this here you might want to look behind you"... He proceeded to have an "oh-shit" moment and runs back to his SUV and drives off. I recognized the officer and we chatted and laughed.

 

There were somethings that happened to my wife... but needless to say I got a licence, I bought a gun. The end.

 

I had the same basic thing happen to me many years ago, except I didn't have a cop to stop by or a gun at the time. I pulled into a parking lot and when the other drive got of his car and walked about 10' away I slammed the gas and got the hell out there. I basically out drove him. It was one of the scariest things that I've ever had to do. That was also a pivotal moment in my decision to become a gun owner.

 

These days, if you get out of your car screaming and yelling at me, I'm probably going to level off on you...

[macbeau 902]

The instigator and his girlfriend are lucky the young guys in the front vehicle weren't armed and trained. They would have been well within their rights in GA to cap his ass - possibly her's too. (since she armed her hotheaded BF).

 

Last May, I had a jackass in a Kia SOUL follow me after a similar incident - all the way to the local POLICE department HQ parking lot - and the cops wouldn't answer the fricken door. [They were there and came to the door olny after the suspect left.] Granted - this was at 10pm, during a week night, but... FUCK! Seriously?!?!?!?

If my persuer hadn't decided that descretion was the better part of valor, I'd have shot the driver at a minimum.

Then I'd have gone after the PD in a civil suit.

 

 

Macbeau sends...

[sean8642 77]

He's real screwed if he has a concealed carry. The classes in NC lay out pretty well when you are allowed to use a gun, which will just make the prosecutions job even easier.

 

1. If you instigate a fight, you cannot use deadly force legally.

 

2. If you didn't instigate it, but the attacker retreats, he cannot legally use it either.

 

Seems like at least one or both of these happened in the video.

[Maxwelhse 1,285]

He's real screwed if he has a concealed carry. The classes in NC lay out pretty well when you are allowed to use a gun, which will just make the prosecutions job even easier.

 

1. If you instigate a fight, you cannot use deadly force legally.

 

2. If you didn't instigate it, but the attacker retreats, he cannot legally use it either.

 

Seems like at least one or both of these happened in the video.

 

I believe he's in a deep shit no matter what state it is... Even if he had never pulled the trigger, that would be considered brandishing a weapon at the very least. Around here, that would cause you to lose your CCW, and rightfully so if that's what actually happened.

[Shandlanos 1,470]

Only road rage incident I've had involving a gun, luckily I was the only armed party.

Had a "biker" (read - middle-aged, well-groomed white guy with a brand new Harley and a grand or so worth of pristine leathers) think I'd cut him off. I come up to a stop sign a block later, at the back of a shopping center in a residential area, with a semi blocking the intersection ahead (note also - my reverse gear is screwed up and barely works). So, when he pulls up alongside me and starts banging on my window and shouting threats, I don't have an avenue of retreat. Lucky for me, all I had to do was grab my pistol up from the passenger seat and rack it (already had a round in the chamber - took me ten minutes to find the round I ejected ) - the guy immediately took off at top speed. Still adrenalized as hell, I called 911, who then transferred me to a desk cop. She didn't seem to think it was a big deal, seemed to think it was sort of funny - since there was no discharge of a firearm, the official response was essentially a shrug.

[devildogdakota 804]

The instigator and his girlfriend are lucky the young guys in the front vehicle weren't armed and trained. They would have been well within their rights in GA to cap his ass - possibly her's too. (since she armed her hotheaded BF).

 

Last May, I had a jackass in a Kia SOUL follow me after a similar incident - all the way to the local POLICE department HQ parking lot - and the cops wouldn't answer the fricken door. [They were there and came to the door olny after the suspect left.] Granted - this was at 10pm, during a week night, but... FUCK! Seriously?!?!?!?

If my persuer hadn't decided that descretion was the better part of valor, I'd have shot the driver at a minimum.

Then I'd have gone after the PD in a civil suit.

 

 

Macbeau sends...

No shit, they wouldn't answer the door? Sounds like they got a bunch of Barney Fifes working at that dept. I would expect that kind of cowardice to come outta San Fransicko, but not too many other places!

[Voltia 375]

If this road rage guy started the fight, ie, swung first, then he is totally wrong. I believe, based on the evidence,

that he did start the physical fight.

 

However, if he road raged, chased them, yelled at them, and then the OTHER guy swung first, then

yeah, he would have been allowed to haul leather. Probably not shoot the truck, and definitely not cruise and

drive on by the houses.

 

I don't care about being in fear of my life, I'm in fear of a good ass whupping. If someone is trying to kick my ass,

I believe you have the right to pull a gun on him, assuming you didn't start it. But, from what is printed, it looks

like he did start it.

[Beretty 37]

If you're carrying, you owe it to the rest of us to back down, never instigate, and only fight with the gun. No fist fighting, knives, or anything else. Just the gun, and only when you are assaulted. If i take what is written here (too lazy to watch video), its his own damn fault and he needs his firearms taken away until he no longer follows people 30 miles cause he was cut off. Dumb ass. Only wish I was there to leave my gun behind and kick him once for good measure.

 

I forget where I read it recently but something like, "True power is walking a mile to avoid a fight but not giving an inch if confronted". I consider kicking someone on ground lethal force.(see below)

 

I believe that if that had happened here in Alabama, with us having the castle doctrine, which also extends to your vehicle, when he entered the kids vehicle to grab him, that was grounds for the punk to blow him away. That's why my pistol is always at my side. Years back, I had a girl make a left hand turn, from the right hand lane in front of me, I t-boned her, then some big ass black guy comes to my window and tells me he's gonna whoop my ass, needless to say, when I raised the .45 and told him that if he even breathed hard on my truck, I'd blow his his shit away. When the cops arrived, they started making a big deal of that, the cops asked me what happened, I explained what happened, what this guy said and that I NEVER got out of my truck during this. Cop told the dude he was lucky as hell that he controlled his breathing, because I was in the right, and this was a black cop.

But this guy in the video, needed a better ass whooping than he got. Someone needs to teach the kids to not stop until the threat is neutralized, or this is what could/would happen, dick head pops up and sends one your way. Anger management won't help this prick, he'll do it again some other time, and it may turn out worse. He should have took his ass whooping, went on his way.

The kids in the video had more discipline than the gun owner. I think they used reasonable force. Don't kick people on the ground. A friend of mine died in a fist fight from getting kicked in the head.(see below)

 

 

Road rage... this reminds me of one of the incidences that first prompted me to get my CCL.

 

A number of years ago on my way home from work one day, I'm coming on from an entrance ramp... its a long merge and there is a gap in traffic allowing me effortlessly merge a little early. Even though there was nowhere for the guy to go he speeds up and tries to zip up the remainder of the merge and get in front. Coming from behind me he only ends up side by side with me by the time the merge ends and he's driving on the shoulder. He starts swinging over into my lane. I hit my horn he continues so I simply put on my blinker and move into the left lane. Then he does this again but I have nowhere to go except forward, so I speed up a bit just until I could get back into the right hand lane. He's slamming on his horn and is visibly pissed off. I move over into the right lane and continue driving. Over another 5 minutes he swerves through traffic to get right behind me where he proceeds to slam on his horn. We're at the exit for my home and he's still following me, though with less honking. Not wanting to take him to where I live I take a very circuitous route through the neighborhood to make sure it isn't just coincidence that he's following me. I lead him to a spot where I know where the police like to sit to monitor traffic at a "T" intersection. I park. He drives up in front of me and parks and gets out moving towards my vehicle cursing up a storm and yelling at me to "get out." He doesn't notice the police officer getting out his squad car and getting the attention of traffic to cross the street... I lower my window a bit and said "Before we do this here you might want to look behind you"... He proceeded to have an "oh-shit" moment and runs back to his SUV and drives off. I recognized the officer and we chatted and laughed.

 

There were somethings that happened to my wife... but needless to say I got a licence, I bought a gun. The end.

 

I had the same basic thing happen to me many years ago, except I didn't have a cop to stop by or a gun at the time. I pulled into a parking lot and when the other drive got of his car and walked about 10' away I slammed the gas and got the hell out there. I basically out drove him. It was one of the scariest things that I've ever had to do. That was also a pivotal moment in my decision to become a gun owner.

 

These days, if you get out of your car screaming and yelling at me, I'm probably going to level off on you...

Which I guess was my pivotal moment in carrying.

 

Also, cameraman has some guts. Was he still in the vehicle when the road rager fired?

[Sim_Player 1,939]

If they hadn't overwhelmed him so quickly together, he could have put the hurt on each of them individually if he had a good grab.

 

Size matters, in a fist-fight.

 

I find it strange that there is no other video. Usually the kids film everything now, including the chase.

 

I've noticed that ABC News has been running "gun-related tragedy" stories at the top of the hour every day, for the past few weeks. Anyone else noticed the elevated attention to gun crimes nation-wide?

 

Could we find a way to break up the media monopolies? Wishful thinking, I know...

Edited March 28, 2013 by Sim_Player

[scotheocelot 28]

Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnndddddd this is why the media and other "liberals" are preaching gun regulations. It is because dumbass gun owners like the man in the video purposely escalate the situation by assaulting unarmed people with a gun.

 

IF he was not the pursuer, IF he was being assaulted with armed persons (weapon of some kind) and IF his space (vehicle) was being unlawfully entered then he has every right to brandish his gun. OR if he was a she, a male is considered a deadly weapon by the State of Oklahoma against women and elderly; so a woman would have a right to brandish a gun. I was specifically told by the officer instructing my CC class as a male, under the age of 60, that unless I can prove BEYOND DOUBT that my life was in danger by an unarmed man, kicking my ass or not, that I am NOT protected by state and local laws to unholster my firearm. Basically take your ass kicking and live to fight another day.

 

Also, after watching this video, the husband and wife got everything they deserved IMO.

[Beretty 37]

The human body is an adequate weapon system that should not be underestimated. Don't you guys see the charts that say "there are 5 times more unarmed murders than rifle murders".