Your 2nd Amendment Cop Buddy Will Take Your Guns

[Jpanzer 1,265]

Found here:

http://lewrockwell.com/orig13/hathaway3.1.1.html

 

Your 2nd Amendment Cop Buddy Will Take Your Guns

 

 

"There is a lot of chatter amongst conservative "2nd Amendment cops" and military folks about how they will not obey the orders when the grand pronouncement is made to take guns. It will be a cop sit out. What will really happen is quite different. Your Republican cop or military buddy will gladly and patriotically take your guns.

Gun grabs and grabs of anything else – children, money, real estate, raw milk – don’t come down the chain of command as such. There is not an edict that comes out saying:

Obama Executive Order 666:

All federal, state, and local law enforcement officers and all active duty military personnel are hereby ordered and required to seize firearms from all persons whose only crime is non-compliance with the firearms transfer provisions contained in the Children’s and Puppies’ Omnibus Health and Safety Act of 2014. Operation Patriot Crush will commence at midnight on June 1, 2014. All will be required to participate from that date forward and to actively engage in door-to-door gun seizure operations against fellow Americans. Constitutional objections by officers will not be recognized and are hereby deemed meritless.

What really happens is that good ol’ patriotic cops are told by their bosses to show up at the police department at o dark thirty for a briefing about the execution of a search warrant. This happens hundreds of times every day. These law enforcement agencies often have military personnel and resources dedicated to assist in their mission as well. No one ever objects. There is action afoot against n’er do wells. It is based on a hush-hush deep dark sinister undercover deal. It can’t be discussed because cooperators are "in deep" and it’s all "need to know."

Fortunately, your buddy gets to be in on the action the day that the door kicking is done. It will be cool. It’s like black ops. It’s like a video game. It’s like a military adventure against the ferreted-out scum of society. It’s exciting and he gets to be there. He can meet his cop pals at Pizza Hut later on for lunch and brag about how he punched a guy who "had an attitude" and made him throw up and said, "How’d you like that home boy? Get used to that. You are going to get a lot more of that in the joint, if you’re lucky!" Before the raid, he is already getting a few comic one liners ready to go with the catchy punch lines to be thrown in later describing something like how a perp soiled himself when your cop buddy demonstrated his manhood by pointing an M4 at his forehead. These guys are scum and he has to get his licks in and deal firmly with them before those pansies in the courts get ahold of them and dismiss everything on some technicality.

On the day of the raid, there are lots of cops milling around until the master of ceremonies begins the sermon. The M.C. is someone who is praiseworthy due to rank; somebody like the Chief of Police. A general tirade slowly builds from the orator about what various scum infiltrators have done to our communities. Veiled references to politics are made. It is mentioned how "the current administration, I won’t name names" is mollycoddling the crooks and not keeping our children safe. Then a hush of silence comes over the room as the M.C. introduces the plain clothes detective, investigator, or case agent.

The detective, in a dramatic almost whispering voice, says that no details can be given to the mass of assembled cops. People are in deep. There are sensitive infiltrators inserted in the group that need their identities protected, "So we can’t talk in detail but, just let it be known that these people we are going after today are the worst. They walk amongst our families at the mall. They go to school with your kids. They are a thorn in our side." He looks over at the Chief of Police and begins a reciprocated round of suggestive head nodding, like yeah boy, I hear that. The uniformed crowd stays silent in awe of the plain clothes guy who has risen in the ranks to the point where he can sleuth together paper cases, even when no crimes are apparent, and bust down doors with another piece of paper. The detective says, "Seize computers, papers, and containers. Take cell phones and address books. Take reading material like gun magazines so we can show the judge where these people’s heads are at. Separate the subjects and get down incriminating statements. If there are any minors present, we have social services on standby to take the kids."

The detective continues, "These folks have been given the chance to work things out and they refused to cooperate. They have been approached and would not comply. They were blatantly hostile. They very likely have it in for us. They didn’t say so in so many words but, we are dealing with fringe people here folks, so assume that their intentions are hostile to be on the safe side. We have people posted watching this place and there is not a lot of movement over there. They are lying low. That is not normal. These people have something to hide. We don’t have any arrest warrants but, we may file charges depending on what we find today."

None of this is defined by the detective. This is a pre-game pep talk. Specifics will get in the way. Details are not given concerning how mama met the cops at the door one day holding her baby and said, "I do not consent to any searches" when they asked her to open the door and let them in. Why were they there? Well, that doesn’t matter for purposes of the briefing either. The family had returned a vaccination consent form to the school unsigned. The cops, responding to a request by a social worker who had been contacted by the school, were making a "welfare check." In other words, they were going to snoop around and try to have a lengthy coerced conversation and get some juicy quotes for somebody’s collectivist social agenda. No one had observed a crime but, these people must be brought in line.

When the cops got snubbed at the door, they got there hackles up. So they went to their in-house detective, Al, who punched his password into the post-9/11 Regional Fusion Center website and asked for a full profile on the address, the residents, and the license plates. Good thing because, although the reports came back with pages of N/A, suspect Bob had bought a gun.

The detective then went to the gun store where the gun was sold. When he looked at the store’s records, he found out that Bob had bought another gun there. Detective Al always wanted to be a federal agent, so he had an excuse to drop by the ATF office, talk to the feds, and ask them to run a check. He left ATF giddy because he now had some new buzzwords to impress his bosses and co-workers.

He proudly proclaimed back at the office, "We bounced his name off of e-trace. Yup, he’s in there boys. The ATF has this guy’s number. His name is in their system. The computer lit up like a Christmas tree when we ran his name. We bounced him off of Operation Gunrunner too." That was another database the detective heard mentioned while over at ATF. There was nothing in there for Bob, the guy he was snooping on but, the words sounded cool. Detective Al told his bosses that "ATF is all like, yeah, we are all over this guy but, they said we could deal with him."

So, long story short, Bob filled out ATF forms when he bought a couple of guns and the information from those forms was put in a computer saying that he had bought those guns. Period. But, Detective Al needed to make some hay to get his next promotion so, he latched on to whatever was passing under his nose right then. To put the icing on the cake, the detective got some federal DHS funds from the sergeant in his department that controlled Operation Stonegarden funds and decided he would do something that would excite the bosses; send a snitch in to have a recorded talk with Bob and grab some good sound bites. Detective Al was rolling in glory now; federal funds, federal databases, and now getting in good with his bosses by sending a snitch in to throw out some ideas to a suspect.

The snitch posed as a landscape guy and offered to mow Bob’s lawn. Bob said, "No thanks. I mow my own lawn." The snitch made a few more failed attempts to try to sell him some stuff out of the trunk of his car. Bob got suspicious and called 911. The police station went into Defcon 1.

The Chief called in Detective Al and said, "Shut the door. We got a call from your target’s house. Your man on the inside is compromised. We’ve got to move on this now, pronto, ASAP!!

Al didn’t want to admit that he had nothing, so he alternately shook and nodded his head to the chief, and mumbled, "That scum bag. Man this guy is trying to mess with us. I’m going to get paper on him."

"Do it!! The Chief yelled. Do it yesterday!! Get this piece of garbage out of this town. Call the paper so they can have a reporter at the raid briefing that can snap some cop pictures without faces, except mine. Ted down at the Gazette is good for that. He will hold the story ‘til we round up the perps. Get a news release roughed out about how potential school shooting violence was averted, etc."

Al then got a moment in the sun with the local prosecutor’s office. He got all his fancy words ready. He made sure to work in "e-trace" and thankfully remembered "Operation Gunrunner" at the last minute. He thought the buzzwords would awe the local prosecutor but, swamped with DUI cases, he couldn’t care less about the Regional Fusion Center data checks and all the ATF lingo.

The prosecutor asked Al if he had filled out the abbreviated telephonic search warrant form. Al said, "No, how do I do that." The prosecutor pointed at a form, handed Al the judge’s phone number, and instructed him to just call the judge. The prosecutor told Al that he could get the telephonic warrant signed by the judge after the raid.

The detective continues talking to the assembled cops, "These people are heavy into guns, so we aren’t taking any chances. SWAT will flash bang the premises and then we will hit the door and take every one down. We don’t want to give them a chance to load up, chamber rounds, and start firing. Apparently their kid is a problem child at school, and the parents are backing the kid up. We have guns there and a deviant child. That is a bad mix. We are talking about something going on here that is not kosher and we don’t need it to explode at the school into something serious. Need I say more? Need I say Littleton or Newtown? The psychiatrist on contract with family services gave us the go ahead to proclaim the parents and child as potentially dangerous, so we can take any guns we find."

After the plain clothes detective gins up the crowd, baiting them with spy novel intrigue, the SWAT commander takes over the briefing. Random scenarios are discussed. He gives a long-winded speech using lingo like "active shooter."

"What will we do if we have an active shooter? You will SITREP the metrics of the active shooter into the Command Post. If we have enough positive granularity, we will go green." A few older rube sheriff’s deputies roll their eyes at all the military lingo and bureauspeak that had crept into police work. The younger echelon of shaved head cops from multiple agencies, nod and smile showing that they don’t want to be left out of the enchanting aura of groupthink. One of the young cops says to his buddy, "Take ‘em out!" and laughs.

Another Iraq vet says, "We knew how to deal with these trouble makers in Fallujah." The vet had actually never done anything more interesting than order a 12-inch meatball sub at the Subway in his megabase in Iraq, and he wasn’t sure if he had ever actually even seen an Iraqi or maybe just brown imported contractors of some other nationality that cleaned the base but, he hoped the comment would up his street cred with the other cops.

The SWAT commander continues, "Remember folks, we are in a post 9/11 paradigm here! We aren’t playing games. These people are in it for real folks, and you better have your head in the game too! The SWAT commander had been briefed for 3 minutes by the detective before the mass briefing and chose to copy some of his cool jargon to help build the sinister aura of the evil organization. After "paradigm," he gets out e-trace, Operation Gunrunner, and throws in, just for fun, that "these folks might get hammered with RICO" because he heard that one before. He pretends like he is in the know but, just can’t say more. He dramatically says, "I’m not going to say hate crime because, well, let’s not go there, if you know what I mean." He cagily acts like he barely caught himself before accidentally revealing who the new head of Al Qaeda is. The SWAT guys in the corner snicker because they know their boss is grand-standing and knows nothing about the case.

He dramatically states, "Just keep this in mind; these people may come off all like Mr. Innocent but, they are the worst of the worst and they will shoot you just as soon as say Hello. So, remember, the most important thing, I want you all to go home to your families at the end of the shift today. Not in a body bag. If someone goes home in a body bag, make sure he is not wearing a uniform. If you see somebody going into an aggressive posture, deal with him immediately; need I say more? These people hate you and hate the government. If we have a shooting, we will have a huddle and get our story straight before anything goes out. Got it?" No one in a uniform objects to anything being said.

Different scenarios are discussed. "If we get a barricaded subject, contact me, the SWAT commander. We have ways of dealing with that. Just pull back and we will bring the armored vehicle in and we will get them out of there whether they like it or not." He puts on a big smile and there is a wide round of chuckles from the audience as each cop looks at the guy next to him with a cheese eating grin.

One cop is heard saying loudly, "That’s what I’m talking about" which causes an uproar of laughter to overtake the crowd. Another one blurts out, "Crispsy critters" which gets an even bigger laugh.

Guys swagger around with their low thigh-mounted holsters that they don’t always get to wear on regular patrol duty. Extended magazines are velcroed all over the web gear. Guys have extra ordnance hanging all over them that they usually don’t carry on regular patrol duties. It will be a fun day for all, and they might get to pull a pin on an explosive or gas dispenser that shoots out hot flames. If they are lucky, they might even see a house burn down and have a great story to tell for months. It will all be good versus evil though, so no one will need to give in to that prick from their conscience.

After the operation, the cops discuss with each other in smug fashion how "that was a cluster." When the emotions die down and they get a clear look at grandpa lying on the ground with taser barbs in him, they all make high-minded critiques amongst themselves talking about how messed up the case was. They then conveniently forget their feelings, their lessons learned, and leave the crime scene they created and go to lunch. All these conservative cops will respond to the next call though, earn their overtime, and not ask any hard questions. The sinister hard looks will be given during the sermon to justify the next raid and they will comply with that one as well. Details will again be minimal, for security, as always but, it will be made clear that the targets are really bad guys and that legal issues don’t allow the raid orchestrator to lay out the case to the door crashers.

When everyone gets sued someday, the cops didn’t know any better. The perps were all scum anyway. It’s a cover story they came up with. The story about the autistic son choking on smoke from a gas grenade was an intentional tear jerker to get the jury turned off on cops. Grandpa limping to the door without his crutches and then getting tasered was all an act to throw the cops off.

During these escapades, your conservative, "Christian," Republican, pro-2nd Amendment cop buddy will be raring to go. He will be ready to take someone out. He acts like he believes it all. He likes the power, the force, and the feeling of loyalty to a group identity that is unquestioningly focused on "the mission." He is ready to kick someone if they resist. And, he sure as shootin’ rounded up the evil scum’s guns when he broke down the door of Bob and his family, even though he had no personal knowledge of them or any illegalities committed by them.

He will use this latest war story in the Sunday school class he teaches to add to the mystique of his personal life and to show how his profession gives him a unique ability and perspective to comment credibly on Bible lessons. And yes, your cop buddy will still insist that he will never follow the gun grab orders when they come down from Obama."

April 5, 2013

{David Hathaway [send him mail] is a former supervisory DEA Agent who homeschools his nine children. He enjoys writing about the injustices of the state.}

Ain't that how it usually goes down?

[ChileRelleno 7,071]

Reality.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

Golly gee whiz, I guess all hope is lost...

 

 

See, anyone can be over melodramatic if they try.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Odd Man Out

[mancat 2,368]

The author thinks that this can be carried out 150+ million times without anyone getting wise to it? Okay.

 

This guy's perspective is warped from having spent too much time in actual crooked law enforcement, such as DEA.

[GeorgiaPD 408]

I normally refrain from posting profanities on this forum and try to remain as professional as possible on this forum, BUT this time you got me. The author is full of shit if he thinks that there will be much of any support for such a thing. Some big cities maybe, but it will never happen in rural areas and I would quit the profession that I love before enforcing some bullshit like this...

[dustindu4 101]

I bet people in Hitler's SS said the same shit and look what happened.

 

They are not your friends

[Dad2142Dad 6,559]

666

 

Nice touch

[nlacy 692]

I bet people in Hitler's SS said the same shit and look what happened.

 

They are not your friends

 

I think that one was different. For the Nazis they had an easier time making the argument "us vs. them." Anti Semitism had been prevalent in Europe/Germany for centuries before the Nazis came on the scene. In the US there are so many gun owners it is hard to make that argument.

[gunman1 1,753]

DO NOT TRUST THE POLICE. Yes..I do realize wahat a scumbag you think I am for writing such treasonous shit, but I don't care what you think. I've had some, lets say upclose and personal experience with you fucken thugs. When they finally get turned loose on us they'll all turn like pitbulls in the ring, you will have a very bad day, and they will sit around with each other joking about your misfortune. And yes it will be intensified in the cities, simply because it's a more target rich enviroment. You folks in rural areas will be much easier to deal with because you are much more trusting of LEO, the outcome will be the same for you though.

 

"Some big cities maybe, but it will never happen in rural areas and I would quit the profession that I love before enforcing some bullshit like this..."

 

We'll see

[Remek 771]

1. This would be a very distinct action. The police need to have a warrant executed to enter the house. If they have it, I wouldn't stop them either.

 

2. Melodrama aside, the police are very cognizant of the actions taken against arms these days. It wouldn't be that easy. Maybe some of the new young guys would think of it like that, but the older guys would put it down. That's the way a job works, you enter, make stupid decisions, get told the right to do it, and it repeats until you understand and are an older employee.

 

3. Mao does not trust the police, and they act against his will, because they understand the constitution. Thats why he is expanding DHS and trying to rid the county of sheriffs.

 

4. Once this limited action has taken place, Mao would be in a pretty bad place. The military would know about it immediately. Everyone would know about it. Hell even the anti-gun people would see that it was unfair in many circumstances, and everyone would start screaming "HITLER".

 

5. More than a few of the store-purchasers of firearms have multiple staches, and places, that even no one else knows about. Someone may have a buddy with land somewhere. Someone may have property in another state. Relatives all over the country. It'd be a lot of ground searches with whatever radar they use to find those staches.

 

6. There is no such provision in the health care act.

 

7. If there was such a provision, it is constitutionally illegal.

 

8. I enjoyed the read, but it was pure fiction!

 

I trust the people much more than most. No, maybe they are walking around zombies right now, but sooner or later, it will hit them, and they will ignite. It will take economic collapse, an action like above, or invasion by another country, but they will awake.

 

The people may not be trustworthy on day to day things, but when SHTF, they will buck up. Just like all kids when they reach the real world, they will sober up and do what has to be done. Its just in people's nature.

 

I do believe if it ever came to that, we'd all have people willing to work with us, rather against us. We just have to hope it doesnt happen over the next two years, and hope that the firearm owners and fans out there vote out these donkeys, and put constitutionalists or at least republicans in office.

[Big John! 2,062]

I took the article for what it was. Over dramatic? Maybe. Truth is the moral to the story. I believe that this is how it will start. Hell it already is. Look at the people getting arrested for stupid shit. They don't tell you all the BS of how they were treated while being arrested.

This shit will not come down by executive order "666". It will be everyday BS busts and the cops won't know any better. They will simply think they are doing their job. Especially the young go getters. Even worse, the bad one's that enjoy that kind of thing.

 

If you have a safe full of guns and think for one minute that you are not being monitored in some way... I think you are mistaken. If you've filled out a background check in especially the last year or so, then I'd have to guess that your name is in a fusion center (or the like) database. Now will the cops come kicking in your door tomorrow and should you be paranoid? I don't think so. But, if things keep going the way they are, this scenario may not be as far of as we'd like to think.

 

Remember every conversation that you have with an anti gun person ends up with them calling you a gun NUT. We have already been criminalized by them and most of the media. We have been deemed crazy for owning crazy ass "military assault weapons of war" by having one or more of those mass killing machines such as an AR15 or AK47 or even that crazy ass Saiga 12 that can unload 20 rounds of 00 buck in ten seconds. Don't forget that the Saiga 12 was used at Sandy Hook. You are now just like him in their minds.

 

You can pick these kind of articles apart all you want. I try to put my BS meter on high and take away the moral of the story if I agree with it.

Or... I post it here and let you guys pick it apart for me if I'm on the fence. This is actually the truth. There is a wealth of knowledge here and some very diverse opinions that I have come to respect.

[Remek 771]

I agree to some extent, John, but a mass taking that just seems like it will take a long time before we give in to it. Even now, the anti-gunners have weakened in their conviction, and we are prevailing for the most part.

 

I just don't see a mass taking like this happening any time soon. Too many variables out there. The military response to it, the police response to it, the people's mind in view of it happening. With Mao crying shame for forgetting the recent incident, it seems he knows the ferver is being lost. If its lost, he should be aware that it will be a LOT harder to take anything.

 

For him to act on a mass scale, it will take a law. We aren't a monarchy yet, and he knows it, otherwise, he'd not be crying like that.

[jerry52 893]

So when is the whole book coming out?

Just a Point! Law Enforcement tend not to work together as everyone thinks. They are also short handed and short on money so something like this if it was to happen would not be for a large group of people and there has to be a crime involved or may be involved. DA's don't put up with this stuff much they like it clear cut.

[gunman1 1,753]

So when is the whole book coming out?

Just a Point! Law Enforcement tend not to work together as everyone thinks. They are also short handed and short on money so something like this if it was to happen would not be for a large group of people and there has to be a crime involved or may be involved. DA's don't put up with this stuff much they like it clear cut.

Like they really give a fuck about the real law. This bunch in charge does whatever they want. The law are you fuken serious.

Y'all go ahead and take comfort in that bubble of thinking that the LAW is going to protect you, and that they will work to keep each other in check....dream the fuk on

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

AA

You have a distinct bias agains't the police -- could you tell us why other than " I've had some, lets say upclose and personal experience with you..." Why do you feel so wronged and betrayed???

[Zombiehunter762 376]

FK I might as well give up now.

I have a brother-in-law that will not talk about guns with me.

My take is that he can not BS me like other people.

So he can keep thinking he is superior because in reality he is NOT.

[Big John! 2,062]

I agree to some extent, John, but a mass taking that just seems like it will take a long time before we give in to it. Even now, the anti-gunners have weakened in their conviction, and we are prevailing for the most part.

 

I just don't see a mass taking like this happening any time soon. Too many variables out there. The military response to it, the police response to it, the people's mind in view of it happening. With Mao crying shame for forgetting the recent incident, it seems he knows the ferver is being lost. If its lost, he should be aware that it will be a LOT harder to take anything.

 

For him to act on a mass scale, it will take a law. We aren't a monarchy yet, and he knows it, otherwise, he'd not be crying like that.

I agree that a mass taking isn't likely yet. I just think that it's very possible to here more stories such as the op's. My biggest concern again is civil unrest. Either created by the gov. or some little midget sending some BS over here that could fuck up the power grid. Basically anything that clears the grocery stores in a day or two. This kind of thing will be the opening for the King having his will.

[DogMan 2,343]

Didn't we see a microcosm of this scenario during Katrina? The police there subsequently needed a law passed that said they couldn't do the same thing again. I'm sure there were some police who refused to participate, and others that didn't like it but did it anyway. Most probably didn't care one way or another, they were just doing what they were told because they knew which side of the bread the butter was on. Whatever the numbers were it didn't seem to matter. The stories I heard and the videos I saw seem to indicate they did it enthusiastically and without much hesitation at all. I'd love to believe that police would stand up for second amendment rights in numbers that really matter, but I don't.

[misterT 174]

I have a relative that is a cop and he is just as worried about what is going on as we are. Are there some cops out there that would love to kick in some doors bust some heads and take your guns? I am sure there are, but not all of them some of them realize how important the 2nd amendment is to keeping us ALL free. They have to live in this country and their children will inherit what we all leave for them. I doubt they want a dictatorship ruling over their familys either and certainly at least some of them realize their families will not be exempt because they enforced the dictators unjust laws. I remain cautiously optimistic that if we are all persistant and continue to talk to other people and do our part we can overcome this and keep our country free. If all is truly lost and it is inevitable than the only real alternative is to head for the high country and live off of the land untill you die from pnuemonia, the flu, or a bear etc.

[Bayoupiper 738]

Do you really think any cop worth his salt is going to express his honest opinion or plans on an internet forum?

 

Especially with people like AA painting with such a broad brush?

[Zombiehunter762 376]

This^^^^. Besides they can't tell you how or what they would do with out fear of losing their job. At least that's what I've been told.

[Remek 771]

Before this came down, I was chatting with two state troopers and a federal agent. They all categorically stated that they would not enforce any law like that.

 

What I think we, and the various 2A organizations can learn from this is that they need to mobilize not only on a federal level, but on a state level. To be honest, I have only one 2A organization that has informed me on the state level, and I think their mobilization of us has helped VA avoid much of the crap going on in other places, like CO/NY/CT/MA, etc. (sorry for those of you who are subject to this crap). We need the rest of these organizations to learn to mobilize on state levels too. I have a hard time believing that in a place like CO the democrats are so out of touch with the land and the meaning of 2A that people like those I have seen have come to power, and I have a hard time believing that there isn't a much stronger group of 2A supporters than those who would rob us of our freedom. CT may be a bit more like it, most of them are NYC commuters anyway, but CO?

 

I hope GOA, NRA, NAGR, etc., start organizing better at state levels with the monies they have.

 

I also hope these people are remembered at each election to come, as well as the party in general. Without messages being sent, the people who are in the party will never learn. I personally will vote "against" democrats at every turn now, rather than "for" the best candidate.

 

I know we don't need to be told this stuff, but I hope we get the message out to our pro-2A people. If we do it, we might just be able to correct every injustice done against us so far.

Edited April 6, 2013 by Remek

[gunman1 1,753]

I do realize that there are cops on this forum, and I mean no disrespect to anyone personally, and I certainly do not wish any harm on them. I just don't trust any cops of any brand. Part of it is the whole us against the "Civilians" thing that police have gotten into, and made worse by DHS. In most cases, cops will cover for each other no matter what, and good people either die or go to jail. Part of it has to do with getting close to some and hearing the evil shit perpetrated against citizens, I fail to find the humor in it, they don't trust the very people they are sworn to Serve and Protect, can't say that I blame them. Part of it might be from the one that was fucking my young wife and had me locked up, then threatened to have me killed when I turned his stinking ass into internal affairs, should I mention the wife and three kids this prick already had, should I mention the other pregnant girlfriend he had stashed in a condo, no I probably shouldn't mention any of that. How about the top cop of our nation, do we really need to rehash everything about this evil fucker? Should I start a list of all the evil shit that the top cop of our nation passes down to his fucking ilk. I'm just being honest here, I didn't like or trust cops before these evil fuckers came into power, they just made it worse. Should I bring up the Veteran that was tortured in front of his kids right here in downtown Norfolk, hung by his handcuffed fucking arms behind him till his goddamn arms were both rendered useless. All of the money from the law suites didn't fix his arms or the PTSD that his entire family suffers from every day. This list of evil could go on and on but would not serve any good purpose. I truly believe that MOST LEO of every brand has put them-selves above the rest of us.

 

I have so far, never made a personal attack toward a LEO on this forum, nor do I intend to, I have been nothing but respectful. I do reserve the right to speak my mind and if that gets me banned from here then so fucken be it.

[Rhodes1968 1,638]

It can never happen here...

It can never happen to me...

It can never be widespread...

 

Anyone that believes the the complete moral degradation in this country has not spread to law enforcers is just kidding themselves.

 

Its freaking everywhere.

[timy 1,185]

Didn't we see a microcosm of this scenario during Katrina? The police there subsequently needed a law passed that said they couldn't do the same thing again. I'm sure there were some police who refused to participate, and others that didn't like it but did it anyway. Most probably didn't care one way or another, they were just doing what they were told because they knew which side of the bread the butter was on. Whatever the numbers were it didn't seem to matter. The stories I heard and the videos I saw seem to indicate they did it enthusiastically and without much hesitation at all. I'd love to believe that police would stand up for second amendment rights in numbers that really matter, but I don't.

 

Sadly, you're right. Too many LEOs are not honorable at all. They become police officers for the sole purpose of abusing their authority.

 

"Baby Steps" are coming soon.

[Odd Man Out 1,283]

AA

Thanks for responding, I really appreciate the time you spent doing so. I have a friend that served with me from 1974-77. He got out and became a cop. We stayed in touch but didn't see each other again til a bunch of us had a reunion get together last September. Wow, what a change in personality -- I could see that he was the same guy but I also could see that he was not as forthcoming and when he wasn't talking he was always scanning and the gears were always churning. It was kind of sad because there was a wall where there was none before. We talked and he realized the changes and spoke how spending 30 years with the dregs of society and always having your radar up trying to sense when someone was getting ready to pull something had that effect on a guy. I know there are crapbags in uniform -- being human that is inevitable, maybe even more so when your life revolves around the lowest common denominator in society. Compared to my friend I feel pretty lucky; the crap I've seen in this life I have been able to fly home from, my friend has to live with the knowledge of it always being right outside his front door. I am sorry that the untermensch that had dealings with you and your wife got away with it. Thanks again for opening up. It helped me to understand a friend a bit better.

Edited April 7, 2013 by Odd Man Out

[jerry52 893]

AA there are a lot of good Cops out here but just like the teaching profession or being a minister there are ones who want the benefits of the job but not the moral calling to do it. Call them bad teachers , cops or priests they are in the world just like all the other ones who fail to morally measure up, I run into them daily. I'm sorry about what happened to you and also the officer should have lost his job.

I understand your anger but understand that we still are a nation with laws to protect the citizen and I still have hope that right will win.

The greatest thing that has happened in our country is over 40 states have some form of CCW ,10 years ago there was few if any.

Law Enforcement on the great majority welcome this but hope better training will come for the CCW community and I have great hopes that it will.

People are fearful right now because there are no real leaders in our country. You and I must some way help fill this gap with calm and leadership starting with the people around us. I love this country and if we stand together it is not going anywhere.

This is a great forum because we can vent because we care.

Thanks AA

[gunman1 1,753]

Teachers and clergy do not have the legal authority to take my freedom or my life. What's the worst I'm going to catch from a shitty teacher, the clap, bad education? Yeah...and I'd probably catch the same from bad clergy. I wonder how many teachers or clergy sit around and joke about how many peoples lives they were able to intentionally fuck completely up today, this week, this month, how many this year...the thought makes me fuken sick. And please no one try to convince me that they don't do it, because I know better and really don't want to be insulted like that. Those who choose to continue believing that this is the exception rather than the rule.....well good luck to you, I truly hope you never feel the boot of these evil fukers on your neck. And by the way….that poor old Veteran was tortured by orders from the very top of the police force, then justified by the Mayor, the fukers were all found to be complicit. The amount of the setelment was never diclosed, it was only reported as huge.

[jerry52 893]

I understand what happened to this vet. It should never have happen but remember that ultimately the law was on his side. Why do I say that because he got a settlement. Was that enough? It will never be enough. I hope the Mayor lost the next election. I hope the Chief of Police got a layoff while they were still hiring. But the law was on his side which says Cops cannot get by with breaking the law anymore than anyone else. Its is sometimes a little slower because it has to be investigated by an outside department but justice is done.

Are there dirty cops and corrupt officials, yes but why was it tolerated? Because there was no one to keep them accountable "the people" It took a while to get this way . Because the people did not watch them enough. The people pay the salary's and elect the mayors in this country. Even though it is a slow process the people will make the right choice.

Edited April 7, 2013 by jerry52

[Big John! 2,062]

Interesting read. I don't think things will happen so fast that LEO will even know they are doing it. For instance, we're gonna go serve 10 warrants tonight. What I'm not going to tell you as that 2 out of the 10 will be bogus BS. Then a week later 3 out of ten and so on. As I said before, it won't come down as executive order 666. It's starting slow so that it goes rather unnoticed. Or the media hypes it in a way that the sheeple say whoo! sure glad they got that crazy guy that had two AR15's before he shot a school up.

 

In many instances, it won't even be LEO's fault they fucked up. Just another day at work. Sarge says go get bad guys but we don't have time to go into all the intel we have on them so lets just get this done so we can get home. I've carried out orders at work that I knew weren't in the best interest of what ever we were doing. But just wanting to get through the day without BS, I've just done it. We all have at some point in our careers. Do you think for one minute that these guys that are human just like us feel any different? While yes, they are taking away freedoms. At some point LE is just a job at the end of the day. Some are better at it than others, but I think at some point they become jaded after dealing with so much scum, that they can justify in their mind not truly caring about who's door they kick in as long as they can fall back on the top brass telling them it needed to be done.

 

So do I trust them? No. But my reasons are because I feel that they will almost innocently get caught in this crap. The orders will be handed to them in the usual way that doesn't raise a red flag. I hope that makes sense.